How to show G/Z(R(G)) is isomorphic to Aut(R(G))?

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The discussion revolves around the problem of showing that the quotient group G/Z(R(G)) is isomorphic to a subgroup of Aut(R(G)). The context involves concepts from group theory, particularly the definitions and properties of the radical, center, and normalizer of groups.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss the definitions of the radical R(G), the center Z(R(G)), and the normalizer N(H). There is an exploration of the mappings provided in the problem hint, with some suggesting to redefine these mappings in the context of R(G). Questions arise about the normality of various subgroups and the implications of the first isomorphism theorem.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants offering insights into the normality of subgroups and the nature of the mappings involved. Some guidance has been provided regarding the relationship between Z(R(G)) and the kernel of the mapping φ, but no consensus has been reached yet.

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Participants note the complexity of the definitions involved and the potential for multiple interpretations of the problem. There is an acknowledgment of the need for further clarification on the properties of the radical and its associated subgroups.

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I am working on this problem with lots and lots of nesting definitions like this following, and I have been trying to get help from here as well as http://www.quora.com/How-do-I-prove-G-Z-R-G-is-isomorphic-to-Aut-R-G , but none gave me complete help:

Show that ##G/Z(R(G))## is isomorphic to a subgroup of ##Aut(R(G))##.​

For your info, ##R(G)## is called the Radical of ##G##, defined as ##R(G) := E(G)F(G)##, where ##E(G)## is called the Layer of ##G##, and ##F(G)## is called the Fitting of ##G##. Long story short, it suffices (I think) to say that since both ##E(G)## and ##F(G)## are normal according to a lemma, therefore ##R(G)## is normal too.

And then the problem comes with a hint: Use Exercise 3.4. This exercise has the following mappings:

##\begin{align}
\alpha \ &: \ N_G(H) \to Aut(H), \quad g \mapsto \alpha_g \tag{1}\\
\text{where} \ \alpha_g \ &: \ H \to H, \quad h \mapsto h^g, \tag{2}
\end{align}##​

therefore I think that this hint is directing me to use conjugate automorphism.

I was thinking about letting ##\varphi : G/Z(R(G)) \to Aut(R(G))##, and thenstructuring this ##\varphi## into mappings like (1) and (2), so that at least I have a visual idea. But after getting limited responses from my earlier postings, I am not so sure that will be the right direction. Any help or hints would be very, very much appreciated.

Thank you for your time and help.
 
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Is N(H) supposed to be the normalizer, and Z(R(G)) supposed to be the center of R(G)?
 
MostlyHarmless said:
Is N(H) supposed to be the normalizer, and Z(R(G)) supposed to be the center of R(G)?
Yes, that is correct. ##Z## and ##N## stand for centralizer and normalizer. Thanks!
 
Wait, the center or the centralizer?

Either way, I'm not familiar with the Radical, but I would try proving that the map that they gave is an automorphism(replacing H with R(G), and then show that the G/(Z(R(G)) is isomorphic to N(R(G)).
 
MostlyHarmless said:
Wait, the center or the centralizer?

Either way, I'm not familiar with the Radical, but I would try proving that the map that they gave is an automorphism(replacing H with R(G), and then show that the G/(Z(R(G)) is isomorphic to N(R(G)).

Oops! I made careless typo. Center ##Z(G) ## have the elements of ##G## that commute with every element in ##G##.
 
Ah ok, well that's about as much as I can offer on this one. I would start by redfining that map with R(G) in place of H and prove that it is an automorphism.
 
First let's address the normality of the various subgroups. Even without knowing the definitions of ##E##, ##F##, and ##R##, it's a solid bet that all three are not only normal but characteristic subgroups. As Isaacs points out in his Algebra text, if a subgroup is prefixed with "the", then it's generally characteristic. E.g. the center of ##G##, the layer of ##G##, the radical of ##G##, the Fitting subgroup of ##G## are all characteristic subgroups of ##G##. (One can, of course, show this rigorously in each specific case.) Using this reasoning, ##Z(R(G))## is the center of ##R(G)##, which is the radical of ##G##, so ##Z(R(G))## is characteristic in ##R(G)##, which is characteristic in ##G##. So ##Z(R(G))## is normal in ##G## and ##G/Z(R(G))## is a group.

The natural mapping to consider is ##\phi : G \to Aut(R(G))## such that ##\phi(g) : R(G) \to R(G)## is conjugation by ##g##. This mapping makes sense because ##R(G) \lhd G##, so the restriction of conjugation to ##R(G)## is an automorphism of ##R(G)##. What is the kernel of ##\phi##? By definition, it is the set of all ##g\in G## such that ##\phi(g)## is the identity map on ##R(G)##. What does that mean in this case? (Hint: it's a centralizer.)

By the first isomorphism theorem, ##G/\text{ker}(\phi)## is isomorphic to ##\phi(G)##, which is a subgroup of ##Aut(R(G))##.

Now what's the relation between ##Z(R(G))## and ##\text{ker}(\phi)##?
 
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jbunniii said:
First let's address the normality of the various subgroups ...

I am posting this message just to acknowledge your response. Thank you. Give me sometime to digest and I will get back with you shortly. Thanks again as always.
 

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