How to solve this system of equations of trig functions

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The discussion revolves around solving a system of equations involving trigonometric functions, specifically focusing on the manipulation of sine and cosine terms to find solutions. Participants explore both analytic and numeric approaches to tackle the equations presented.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses difficulty in solving the equation, resulting in a specific form: -50(sin^2(alpha)) = 86.63 cos(alpha) sin(alpha) - 6.54.
  • Another participant suggests that if the first term is interpreted as (75 cos(alpha))t, the equation becomes a quadratic in t, indicating a separate solution from t=1.155/(sin(alpha)).
  • Some participants propose that there is an analytic solution by substituting cosine with sine and simplifying to form a quadratic equation.
  • There are suggestions to use double-angle formulas to further manipulate the equations, such as sin(2 alpha) = 2 sin(alpha) cos(alpha) and cos(2 alpha) = 1 - 2 sin^2(alpha).
  • One participant acknowledges a mistake in understanding the nature of the equations, noting that it involves two equations and two unknowns.
  • Another participant clarifies that substituting cos(alpha) with sqrt(1-sin^2(alpha)) leads to a quadratic equation in terms of u=sin^2(alpha), although it is noted that it results in a fourth power in sin(alpha) without certain terms.

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Participants express varying levels of understanding and approaches to the problem, with some agreeing on the potential for an analytic solution while others remain uncertain about the steps involved. No consensus is reached on a definitive method or solution.

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Participants highlight the complexity of the equations, noting the potential for multiple interpretations and the need for careful manipulation of trigonometric identities. There are unresolved steps in the mathematical process that may affect the overall solution.

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This discussion may be useful for individuals interested in solving trigonometric equations, particularly those exploring both analytic and numeric methods in mathematical reasoning.

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I've written it out and it seems impossible. I get -50(sin^2(alpha)) = 86.63 cos(alpha) sin(alpha) - 6.54. Where would I go from there?
 
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Assuming the first term is ## (75 cos(\alpha))t ## and not ## 75 cos(\alpha t) ##, the equation is a quadratic in t, and has a completely separate solution from ## t=1.155/( sin(\alpha)) ##. If the second case is indeed what is asked for, the solution is non-trivial, and a numeric solution, e.g. by graphing a couple of the terms and finding where they intersect, would be in order.
 
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There is an analytic solution. Based on your current progress: Replace the cosine using the sine, then simplify. You'll get a quadratic equation to solve (with a small trick involved).
 
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ual8658 said:
I've written it out and it seems impossible. I get -50(sin^2(alpha)) = 86.63 cos(alpha) sin(alpha) - 6.54. Where would I go from there?

Well, you can rewrite it as:

86.63 cos(\alpha) sin(\alpha) = 6.54 - 50(sin^2(\alpha))

You can rewrite cos(\alpha) = \sqrt{1-sin^2(\alpha)} to get an equation only involving sin(\alpha). Alternatively, you could use the double-angle formulas:

sin(2 \alpha) = 2 sin(\alpha) cos(\alpha)
cos(2 \alpha) = 1 - 2 sin^2(\alpha)
 
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My mistake, I overlooked the solution that @mfb is referring to. It's essentially two equations and two unknowns.
 
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mfb said:
There is an analytic solution. Based on your current progress: Replace the cosine using the sine, then simplify. You'll get a quadratic equation to solve (with a small trick involved).

This is going way over my head. Could you elaborate?

stevendaryl said:
Well, you can rewrite it as:

86.63 cos(\alpha) sin(\alpha) = 6.54 - 50(sin^2(\alpha))

You can rewrite cos(\alpha) = \sqrt{1-sin^2(\alpha)} to get an equation only involving sin(\alpha). Alternatively, you could use the double-angle formulas:

sin(2 \alpha) = 2 sin(\alpha) cos(\alpha)
cos(2 \alpha) = 1 - 2 sin^2(\alpha)

I tried using the double angle formula with sin(2 alpha) but I'm still stuck after that.
 
When you substitute with ## cos(\alpha)=\sqrt{1-sin^2(\alpha)} ## , you then square both sides of the equation and get a quadratic equation in ## u=sin^2(\alpha) ##. (It is actually 4th power in ## sin(\alpha) ## , but there is no ## sin^3(\alpha) ## term and no ## sin(\alpha) ## term=it is quadratic in ## sin^2(\alpha) ##.
 
Charles Link said:
When you substitute with ## cos(\alpha)=\sqrt{1-sin^2(\alpha)} ## , you then square both sides of the equation and get a quadratic equation in ## u=sin^2(\alpha) ##. (It is actually 4th power in ## sin(\alpha) ## , but there is no ## sin^3(\alpha) ## term and no ## sin(\alpha) ## term=it is quadratic in ## sin^2(\alpha) ##.

Thank you! I got it now.
 
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