Finding the explicit solution of a trig equation

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The discussion revolves around the nature of explicit and implicit solutions in the context of solving trigonometric equations, particularly focusing on the equation sin(x) + tan(3x + 2) + cos²(x) = 5. Participants explore the challenges of finding explicit solutions and the implications of numerical methods.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that an explicit solution provides exact x values that satisfy the equation, while an implicit solution is represented by the equation itself, such as sin(x) + tan(3x + 2) + cos²(x) - 5 = 0.
  • Others argue that for certain trigonometric equations, finding explicit solutions may be impossible, necessitating numerical methods that yield approximate solutions.
  • One participant notes that the periodic nature of the function allows for the calculation of solutions within a specific interval, but acknowledges that this approach may not apply to all equations.
  • There is a discussion about the limitations of approximating terms to polynomials, with some indicating that this method may not be effective for the given equation.
  • Participants clarify that the equation set to zero represents an implicit solution, emphasizing that it defines a set of values for x that satisfy the equation.
  • One participant highlights that the form of the equation (A(x) = 5 vs. A(x) - 5 = 0) does not change its meaning, but the latter is a conventional way to express the roots of the function.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree on the definitions of explicit and implicit solutions, but there is no consensus on the feasibility of finding explicit solutions for the specific trigonometric equation discussed. Multiple competing views on the effectiveness of numerical methods and approximations remain present.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the potential dependence on the specific form of the equation and the challenges posed by the periodic nature of trigonometric functions, which may affect the ability to find explicit solutions.

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Hello,

I understand that solving an equation like f(x)=0 means finding those values of x that make the equality true.

In the case of some difficult trig equations (like sin(x)+tan(3x+2)+cos^2(x)=5 which I just made it) it may not be possible to find an explicit solution. What does that mean? Why is exactly a solution that is called explicit? Is there an implicit solution?

I would say that an explicit solution gives the exact x values that render the equation true...

thanks!
 
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##sin(x)+tan(3x+2)+cos^2(x)-5=0## is the implicit solution, as it determines the set of values ##x## which makes the equation true. An explicit solution would be something like ##x= z\cdot \dfrac{\pi}{4}\; , \;z \in \mathbb{Z}##. This is easy for functions like sine and cosine, and presumably impossible for those of your equation. In such a case one has to compute numerically solutions, which are by nature not exact nor can you compute all of them.
 
The function (interpreted as f(x)=0) is periodic with a period of 2 pi, in this case you can numerically calculate all solutions in 0 to 2 pi and all others are an integer multiple of 2 pi larger/smaller. There are equations where this doesn’t work, however.
 
Thank you fresh_42. I guess so since all the trig identities I tried don't get me close to a form where I can take an inverse function and solve for x. That means explicit solutions does not exist. If x was small, I could approximate the various terms to polynomials. Butt no if x can have any value...

Why is the equation equal to zero the implicit solution? All I see is an equation set equal to zero with various possible x values as solutions...
 
Thanks mfb. Numerical is the way to go unless there are fancy substitution tricks or sophisticated approaches to manipulate the various trig terms into something manageable.
 
fog37 said:
If x was small, I could approximate the various terms to polynomials.
That is still possible but it wouldn't help here - you would need to many terms and still get something that has to be solved numerically.
fog37 said:
Why is the equation equal to zero the implicit solution? All I see is an equation set equal to zero with various possible x values as solutions...
That is exactly what an implicit solution means. You have an equation (more generally, a set of equations) that has to be satisfied for solutions.
 
fog37 said:
Why is the equation equal to zero the implicit solution?
##A(x)=5## is as good as ##A(x)-5=0## is, there is no difference. It is just a convention to write them as ##\ldots =0## because these roots (values of ##x## with ##\ldots =0##) are one of the first things you want to know about a function.
 

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