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The discussion revolves around a combinatorial problem involving the binomial coefficient formula, specifically the expression for combinations, denoted as \( \binom{n}{r} = \frac{n!}{r!(n-r)!} \). The original poster expresses uncertainty about how to begin solving the problem and seeks guidance on the initial steps.

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  • Participants discuss the application of the binomial coefficient formula and explore algebraic manipulations involving factorials. There are attempts to simplify expressions and verify steps in the derivation process, with some participants questioning the correctness of each other's calculations.

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The conversation is active, with participants providing guidance on algebraic techniques and factorial manipulations. There is a collaborative effort to clarify misunderstandings and verify steps, although no consensus has been reached on the final outcome of the problem.

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Some participants mention specific algebraic techniques and properties of factorials, indicating a focus on the manipulation of expressions rather than a complete solution. The original poster's struggle with the problem setup and the algebra involved is evident throughout the discussion.

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Prove following theorem by expressing all the binomial coefficients in terms of factorials and then simplifying algebraically: For any positive integer n and r=1, 2, …, n-1; (n over r) = (n-1 over r) + (n-1 over r-1).
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I really don't know what to do for this problem. I looked at similar threads but couldn't seem to grasp the idea of it. I would like help on how to start.
 
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Do you know this formula ?$$(n \text{ over } r)=\frac{n!}{r!(n-r)!}$$
 
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Yes, I just looked at a youtube video and I saw that in order to prove this type of problem I would have to apply the formula that you stated to (n-1 over r) + (n-1 over r-1). And I did that and got [ (n-1)! / (r!(n-1-r)!) ] + [ (n-1)! / ((r-1)!(n-r)!) ] but ended getting an extremely long expression which is wrong (I think) because aren't I supposed to get (n over r) = (n over r) as my answer?
 
Yes after you work algebraically that sum of the two fractions of factorials you are supposed to get ##\frac{n!}{r!(n-r)!}##.
To start working towards the right direction, multiply the first fraction by ##\frac{n-r}{n-r}## and the second fraction by ##\frac{r}{r}## and tell me what you get.
 
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have in mind that ##r!=r(r-1)!## and ##(n-r)!=(n-r)(n-1-r)!##.
 
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Delta2 said:
Yes after you work algebraically that sum of the two fractions of factorials you are supposed to get ##\frac{n!}{r!(n-r)!}##.
To start working towards the right direction, multiply the first fraction by ##\frac{n-r}{n-r}## and the second fraction by ##\frac{r}{r}## and tell me what you get.
I got 2(n+1)! / (r-1)! (n-1-r!)
 
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I got 2(n+1)! / (r-1)! (n-1-r!)
Hmm can't tell where your mistake is unless you post the in between steps, but I think you did something terribly wrong because you should get in the common denominator of the two fractions ##r!(n-r)!## not ##(r-1)!(n-1-r)!##.
 
I can do the second fraction for you which is abit more easy, it is $$\frac{r}{r}\frac{(n-1)!}{(r-1)!(n-r)!}=\frac{r(n-1)!}{r(r-1)!(n-r)!}=\frac{r(n-1)!}{r!(n-r)!}$$
 
Oh, my previous reply was my simplified answer after adding both fractions. I don't see how you simplified the denominator from the middle to the last part.
 
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lema21 said:
Oh, my previous reply was my simplified answer after adding both fractions. I don't see how you simplified the denominator from the middle to the last part.
Oh nevermind... I get it.
 
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For the first fraction I got (n-r)(n-1)! / r!(n-r)!
 
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ok so now the denominators of the two fractions are equal and what we want them to be (remember we want to prove that the sum is equal to ##\frac{n!}{r!(n-r)!}##), we have to work the numerator of the sum of the two fractions. What do you get there?
 
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I got (n-r)(n-1)! + r(n-1)!
 
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You are doing fine, how can you expand the first term using the distributive property?
 
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if you are getting confused by the factorial (n-1)! put z=(n-1)! and right the numerator as (n-r)z+rz :D.
 
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Okay so I factored out the (n-1)! and got (n-1)! [(n-r)+r] = n(n-1)!
 
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Great! so what is n(n-1)! equal to?
 
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n!
 
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Thank you so much for your help :) I really do appreciate it.
 
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No problem I am glad that I helped a smart and polite student :)
 

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