How to stop insulation from floating when flooded

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The discussion revolves around the structural considerations for underfloor heating (UFH) systems in flood-prone areas, specifically addressing how to prevent insulation from floating when flooded. Participants explore the necessary thickness of concrete screed required to counteract the buoyancy of insulation materials.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant calculates the required thickness of screed based on the buoyancy force and the weight of the insulation and screed, concluding that the screed must be at least 0.83 times the thickness of the insulation to prevent floating.
  • Another participant confirms the calculations, noting that the weight of 1 meter of insulation plus 0.83 meters of screed matches the weight of 1.83 meters of water, suggesting the calculations are reasonable.
  • A third participant makes a light-hearted comment referencing a news story related to flooding and insulation, indicating a broader context but not contributing to the technical discussion.

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Participants generally agree on the calculations presented regarding the thickness of screed needed to prevent insulation from floating, though the discussion does not delve into potential variations or additional factors that could affect the outcome.

Contextual Notes

The calculations assume that the weight of the insulation can be ignored and do not account for the presence of UFH pipes in the screed, which may affect the overall weight and buoyancy considerations.

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Elsewhere someone is planning to install Under Floor Heating (UFH) in a house that is prone to flooding. UFH systems typically comprise a layer of insulation then a layer of concrete screed with UFH pipes in it.

Given this recent news story http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...th-car-park-float-raises-floor-four-feet.html I'm trying to work out what thickness of screed you need to stop the insulation floating.

I think I've done the sums right but perhaps someone could check them for me?

The buoyancy force is equal to the weight of water displaced by the insulation and screed...

Water weighs 1000kg per m^3. If Ti and Ts are the thickness of the insulation and screed in mm and g = acceleration due to gravity, then the buoyancy force per square meter is..

= 1000 * g * (Ti + Ts)/1000
= g * (Ti + Ts) N/m^2

Insulation is very light so I'll ignore it's weight. Screed weighs about 2200 kg per m^3 so the downward force due to the weight of the screed is about

= 2200 * g * Ti /1000
= 2.2 * g * Ti N/m^2

The latter must be greater than the former to stop it floating so

2.2 * g * Ti > g * (Ti + Ts)
g cancels
2.2 * Ti > Ti + Ts
rearrange to give
Ts > 0.83 Ti
so the screed must be at least 0.83 times the thickness of the insulation.

If the insulation was 200mm thick the screed would need to be 0.83 * 200 = 166mm thick to stop it floating in a flood.

I've ignored the fact that there is UFH pipe in the screed making it lighter.

Any mistakes?
 
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Looks good.

It passes the sanity check: 1 meter of insulation plus 0.83 meters of screed would be to 0.83 * 2200 ~= 1830 kg per square meter. By no coincidence, 1.83 meters of water is also 1830 kg per square meter.
 
Thanks folks.
 

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