How to Use Pascal's Identity to Simplify a Combinatorial Proof

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The discussion revolves around a combinatorial proof involving Pascal's identity and inequalities related to binomial coefficients. The original problem states that for positive integers n, n1, n2, ..., nk, where the sum of the n_i equals n and k is between 2 and n, a specific inequality involving binomial coefficients must be proven.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Assumption checking

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  • Participants discuss applying Pascal's identity to manipulate the inequality, with one participant suggesting to explicitly write out the left-hand side. There are attempts to analyze specific cases, such as when k equals n, and to clarify the implications of the conditions on k and the sum of n_i.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different approaches and questioning the assumptions involved in the problem. Some have provided partial insights and suggestions for further exploration, but no consensus or resolution has been reached yet.

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Participants note the constraints of the problem, particularly the conditions on k and the sum of the n_i, which are central to the inequality being discussed. There is acknowledgment of potential errors in earlier posts that may affect the understanding of the problem.

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I cannot seem to understand how to do a combinatorial proof on this one.

1. The problem statement: all variables and given/known data
Prove that for all positive numbers n, n1,n2,nk, where 2 \leq k \leq n, and \sum_{i=1}^k n_i = n the following is true
<br /> \newcommand{\colv}[2] {\left(\begin{array}{c} #1 \\ #2 \end{array}\right)}<br /> \colv{n+1}{2} &lt; \colv{n_1+1}{2} + \colv{n_2+1}{2} + ...+ \colv{n_k+1}{2}<br />

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I applied pascals identity to remove "+ 1", and now I have the formula:
<br /> \newcommand{\colv}[2] {\left(\begin{array}{c} #1 \\ #2 \end{array}\right)}<br /> \colv{n}{2} &lt; \colv{n_1}{2} + \colv{n_2}{2} + ... + \colv{n_k}{2}<br />

But I must admit that this still doesn't seem to help my understanding of how to attack this problem.
 
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have you tried writing out the LHS explicitly as
\newcommand{\colv}[2] {\left(\begin{array}{c} #1 \\ #2 \end{array}\right)} \colv{n_k}{2} = \frac{n_k(n_k -1)}{2}

I haven't followed it though, but could be good place to start. Trying the 2 var case say n = p+q could also lead to some useful insights
 
I made an error. Sorry!
<br /> \newcommand{\colv}[2] {\left(\begin{array}{c} #1 \\ #2 \end{array}\right)}<br /> \colv{n+1}{2} &gt; \colv{n_1+1}{2} + \colv{n_2+1}{2} + ...+ \colv{n_k+1}{2}<br />
is the right one(I changed < with >).
 
ok so have you tried the other stuff yet?
 
lanedance:

I tried, but didn't get any further. I need, somehow, to get the part in where 2 \leq k \leq n. But then again if k = n it won't be true. So I also need the part where

<br /> \sum_{i=1}^k n_i = n <br />

Do you have any advice on how to do that? Or am I completely wrong? :)
 
well if k = n then, ni = 1, and the inequality becomes

\newcommand{\colv}[2] {\left(\begin{array}{c} #1 \\ #2 \end{array}\right)}\colv{n+1}{2} &gt; \colv{2}{2} + \colv{2}{2} + ...+ \colv{2}{2} = 1+1+..+1 = n

\newcommand{\colv}[2] {\left(\begin{array}{c} #1 \\ #2 \end{array}\right)}\colv{n+1}{2} = \frac{(n+1)!}{(n-1)!(2)!} = \frac{(n+1)n}{2} &gt; n

so the inequality is true as n >= 2
 
now see what you can do with post #2
 

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