How to Use Proof by Induction for 24|2*7^n+3*5^n-5

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The discussion revolves around proving that the expression \(2 \cdot 7^n + 3 \cdot 5^n - 5\) is divisible by 24 for all integers \(n \geq 1\) using proof by induction. Participants are exploring the validity of the inductive step and considering alternative approaches such as congruence arguments.

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  • Participants discuss the inductive hypothesis and the simplification needed for the case \(n = k + 1\). Some suggest using a congruence argument instead of induction. Questions arise about the sufficiency of proving the base case and extending it to all integers \(k > 1\).

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There is an ongoing exploration of different methods to approach the problem, including both induction and congruence. Some participants are questioning the assumptions made in the inductive step and discussing the implications of odd and even properties of the terms involved.

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Participants are navigating the complexities of the proof, with some expressing uncertainty about the generalization of results from specific cases. The discussion reflects a mix of attempts to clarify reasoning and challenge assumptions about divisibility.

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Prove 24|2*7^n+3*5^n-5


I showed true for n=1:
2*7+3*5-5=14+15-5=24
Thus divisible by 24
Assume true for all k>=1. Need to prove true for n=k+1
Then 2*7^(k+1)+3*5^(k+1)-5=14*7^k+15*5^k-5
I get this far and now I get stuck simplifying enough to show it's true
 
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2*7*7^k+3*5*5^k-5
[2*7^k+3*5^k-5]+7*7^k+5*5^k
 
Instead of using induction try a simple congruence argument.

24 divides 2(7)^n + 3(5)^n - 5 iff 2(7)^n + 3(5)^n = 5 mod 24

Now if n is even this is true since 7^2 = 5^2 = 1 mod 24

If is n is odd the result is also immediate.
 
kathrynag said:
2*7*7^k+3*5*5^k-5
[2*7^k+3*5^k-5]+7*7^k+5*5^k
Hi Kathryn.

[tex]2\cdot 7\cdot 7^k+3\cdot 5\cdot 5^k-5=2\cdot \left(1+6\right)\cdot 7^k+3\cdot \left(1+4\right)\cdot 5^k-5[/tex]
     [tex]=\left(2\cdot 7^k+3\cdot 5^k-5\right)+2\cdot \left(6\right)\cdot 7^k+3\cdot \left(4\right)\cdot 5^k[/tex]

     [tex]=\left(2\cdot 7^k+3\cdot 5^k-5\right)+12\left( 7^k+ 5^k\right)[/tex]

Can you take it from here?
 
Yep, I can see both values are divisible by 24. Thanks!
 
SammyS said:
Hi Kathryn.

[tex]2\cdot 7\cdot 7^k+3\cdot 5\cdot 5^k-5=2\cdot \left(1+6\right)\cdot 7^k+3\cdot \left(1+4\right)\cdot 5^k-5[/tex]
     [tex]=\left(2\cdot 7^k+3\cdot 5^k-5\right)+2\cdot \left(6\right)\cdot 7^k+3\cdot \left(4\right)\cdot 5^k[/tex]

     [tex]=\left(2\cdot 7^k+3\cdot 5^k-5\right)+12\left( 7^k+ 5^k\right)[/tex]

Can you take it from here?

I see that 12(7^k + 5^k) is divisible by 24 when k=1, but why does that suffice for all k>1? Don't I have to prove that?
 
barylwires said:
I see that 12(7^k + 5^k) is divisible by 24 when k=1, but why does that suffice for all k>1? Don't I have to prove that?

I mean, the left side is divisible by 24 by induction hypothesis. Why do I get the right side for free? Or, do I?
 
barylwires said:
I see that 12(7^k + 5^k) is divisible by 24 when k=1, but why does that suffice for all k>1? Don't I have to prove that?

[STRIKE](You're hitch-hiking on Kathryn's post.)[/STRIKE]

7^k is odd, so is 5^k. The sum of two ODDs is even, thus contains a factor of 2.

Prove it if you like, but a simple statement like that would usually suffice.
 
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SammyS said:
(You're hitch-hiking on Kathryn's post.)

7^k is odd, so is 5^k. The sum of two ODDs is even, thus contains a factor of 2.

Prove it if you like, but a simple statement like that would usually suffice.

That's beautiful! Thanks.
 

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