How Were Canal Rays Explained and When?

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The discussion revolves around the explanation of canal rays, their formation in gas discharge tubes, and the historical context of their discovery. Participants explore the nature of positive ions produced during this process and question the certainty of their charge states.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the process of canal ray formation as a chain reaction initiated by high voltage in a gas discharge tube, leading to the creation of positive ions.
  • Questions are raised about the historical timeline of the explanation of canal rays, specifically whether Goldstein provided this explanation upon their discovery or if it was developed later.
  • Concerns are expressed regarding the charge state of positive ions, with one participant suggesting that while +1 ions are predominant, there may also be +2 and +3 ions present, albeit in smaller numbers.
  • Another participant notes that removing a second electron from a positively charged ion requires significantly more energy, which may contribute to the rarity of higher charged ions.
  • There is a reiteration of the uncertainty surrounding the historical discovery of canal rays, with a suggestion that literature may provide more information.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express uncertainty regarding the historical context of canal rays and the charge states of ions, indicating that multiple views exist without a clear consensus on these points.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexity of ionization processes and the energy requirements for removing additional electrons, which may affect the prevalence of higher charged ions. The historical details of canal ray discovery remain unresolved.

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I know how the canal rays are produced. As I looked from wikipedia;

"The process by which anode rays are formed in a gas discharge anode ray tube is as follows. When the high voltage is applied to the tube, its electric field accelerates the small number of ions (electrically charged atoms) always present in the gas, created by natural processes such as radioactivity. These collide with atoms of the gas, knocking electrons off of them and creating more positive ions. These ions and electrons in turn strike more atoms, creating more positive ions in a chain reaction. The positive ions are all attracted to the negative cathode, and some pass through the holes in the cathode. These are the anode rays."

My question is, when did this explanation discovered? Did Goldstein offered this explanation when he discovered the canal rays, or somebody else did years later?
One more question: How can we be so sure that the positive ions are +1, can't it collide with one more electron on its way and become +2?
 
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onurbeyaz said:
How can we be so sure that the positive ions are +1, can't it collide with one more electron on its way and become +2?

I would think that there are indeed some +2 ions (and possibly even +3 etc.), but only very few of them. The number of ions is probably actually very small compared to the number of un-ionized atoms, so an electron from the cathode is much more likely to hit an un-ionized atom than a +1 ion.
 
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In addition to the difference in numbers, removing a second electron often takes much more energy than removing the first one (because you have to remove an electron from an already positively charged atom).
 
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Thanks for the answers. So if the colliding electrons energy is enough, the +1 ion can loose one more electron (even if its very unlikely). And what about the first question? When and how did the explanation of canal rays discovered?
 
onurbeyaz said:
Thanks for the answers. So if the colliding electrons energy is enough, the +1 ion can loose one more electron (even if its very unlikely).
Right. If the electron is high-energetic, then it is not an unlikely event.
And what about the first question? When and how did the explanation of canal rays discovered?
I don't know, but the literature should cover that.
 

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