How would you find the anti derivative of (1+x^2)^(1/2)

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The discussion revolves around finding the antiderivative of the function (1+x^2)^(1/2) and specifically evaluating the definite integral from 0 to 1. The subject area is calculus, focusing on integration techniques.

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  • Participants discuss a substitution method involving u=1+x^2 and express concerns about the validity of the resulting expression when evaluating at the limits. There is mention of using trigonometric identities as a potential simpler approach. One participant questions the treatment of x as a constant during substitution and suggests that everything should be expressed in terms of u.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants exploring different substitution methods and questioning the assumptions made in the initial attempts. Some guidance has been offered regarding the need for a trigonometric substitution, but there is no consensus on a definitive approach yet.

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One participant notes that they have not yet learned integration by parts or trigonometric substitution, which may limit their ability to solve the problem effectively.

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Homework Statement



How would you find the anti derivative of (1+x^2)^(1/2)

I am trying to find the definite integral of that function from 0 to 1

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The Attempt at a Solution



Here is what I tried so far: I let u=1+x^2
du=2xdx
solving for dx, dx=(1/2x)du
I plug dx into the integral to get
(integral sign)(1/(2x))(u)^(1/2)du
So after I solve this I get [(1+x^2)^(3/2)]/(3x) from 0 to 1. But obviously this is wrong because if I plug 0 in for x, the function does not exist!
 
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I'm not going to tell you which one but using a trigonometric identity is probably the simplest way.
 
skyturnred said:

Homework Statement



How would you find the anti derivative of (1+x^2)^(1/2)

I am trying to find the definite integral of that function from 0 to 1

Homework Equations





The Attempt at a Solution



Here is what I tried so far: I let u=1+x^2
du=2xdx
solving for dx, dx=(1/2x)du
I plug dx into the integral to get
(integral sign)(1/(2x))(u)^(1/2)du
So after I solve this I get [(1+x^2)^(3/2)]/(3x) from 0 to 1. But obviously this is wrong because if I plug 0 in for x, the function does not exist!
You can't simply treat the remaining x as a constant. You have to write everything in terms of u. If you solve for x in terms of u, you get [itex]x=\sqrt{u-1}[/itex], so you end up with
[tex]\int\frac{1}{2x}u^{1/2}\,du = \int\frac{1}{2\sqrt{u-1}}u^{1/2}\,du[/tex]This doesn't look much better than what you started with, so you'll want to try something different.

When you see something like 1+x2, you should think "trig substitution."
 
vela said:
You can't simply treat the remaining x as a constant. You have to write everything in terms of u. If you solve for x in terms of u, you get [itex]x=\sqrt{u-1}[/itex], so you end up with
[tex]\int\frac{1}{2x}u^{1/2}\,du = \int\frac{1}{2\sqrt{u-1}}u^{1/2}\,du[/tex]This doesn't look much better than what you started with, so you'll want to try something different.

When you see something like 1+x2, you should think "trig substitution."

OK thanks! We haven't even learned integration by parts yet, let alone trig substitution. So I must not be able to solve this problem.
 

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