Human evolution -- Neanderthals and Homo Erectus

In summary: The needle is seen as providing proof that the long-gone Denisovans - named after the cave - were more sophisticated than previously believed.
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What differentiates a homo erectus from a neanderthal? They look very similar as they both lack chins and have brow ridges. To me, a neanderthal seems like a large brained homo erectus. Modern human skulls, on the other hand, look completely different.

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Neanderthal brains were actually larger than Homo sapien sapien. Homo sapien and sapien neanderthal are both descendants of Homo erectus. They are divergent lines, so they evolved somewhat different features.
 
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Both "species" have distinctive anatomical features in their teeth and skulls which are a bit harder to explain unless you're a physical anthropologist. Even the anthropologists argue over some of the fossils and usually they rely on the context of the fossils to make a judgement - Neanderthals are from Europe and the Near East, after ~300 kya, while Erectus is from Asia and Africa, before ~500 kya.

You might have read of Erectus persisting into more recent eras in Indonesia. This is based on a dating of particular fossils to ~50 kya. This dating was later redone by the same team, producing a much earlier ~500 kya. There certainly seem to be archaic features appearing in some very recent bones, in Africa and China, but Erectus proper is gone by about ~500-300 kya, replaced by "archaic Homo sapiens" and then modern Homo sapiens.
 
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The lines of evolution from homo erectus and how many descendant branches exist is still an evolving subject. From all of my collection of documents on anthropology the only thing that is becoming clearer is that it is evolving and evidence of many more branches on the tree is being found. At this stage of study, the apparent three longest survivors being Homo Sapiens, Neanderthal and Denisovan.
The majority of our current Homo Sapiens branch still contains identifiable genetic percentages from interbreeding with both the Neanderthal and Denisovan branches primarily in the range 2% - 4% depending on whether they are of basically of European or East Asian. Those of East Asian descendant tend to have a slightly higher percentage of Denisovan genetic linkage than European descendants. This information is based upon the current findings of the ongoing National Geographic Society, "Genographic Project".

See the below on recent study that proposes there were only 4 significant stages of humanoid physiological development along the way:

Binghamton University. "Human body has gone through four stages of evolution." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 31 August 2015. <http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/08/150831163841.htm>.
 
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The lines of evolution from homo erectus and how many descendant branches exist is still an evolving subject.

When I was doing my undergraduate work, all we really had was Johanson's "Lucy," Dart's "Taung child," and the Leaky's habilis specimens. I think a lot of us built a model around that framework because there was nothing really new discovered for so many years...really until Ardipithecus. This prejudice is so ingrained in me personally that I tend to doubt the validity of the "hobbit" Homo Floresiensis:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homo_floresiensis

I also want to be a "hater" of the new Homo Nedeli find:

https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/homo-naledi-a-new-species-of-the-genus-homo.832030/

But I'm probably wrong about both of these. I think my folly, however, may be instructive to those who think they know everything. The reality is that, in every science, we have just been presented with the smallest sliver of the piece of pie. So don't get too full of yourself and your scientific models. You may think you have it all figured out, but somebody, somewhere is going to repel down into a cave tomorrow and perhaps change the whole picture.
 
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From the Denisovan cave in the Altai mountains comes this usable, 50,000 year old sewing needle. Also discussed is a bracelet, mysteriously said to have been fashioned in part with a high speed drill.

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The needle is seen as providing proof that the long-gone Denisovans - named after the cave - were more sophisticated than previously believed. Picture: Vesti

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The bracelet was carefully polished and grinded, with a heavy pendant added in the centre, probably hanging from a short leather strap. Pictures: Vera Salnitskaya, Anastasia AbdulmanovaThe bracelet was discovered in 2008, and scientists have since suggested it showed the Denisovans to be more technologically advanced than Home sapiens or Neanderthals.

Scientists found that a hole had been drilled in part of the bracelet with such precision that it could only have been done with a high-rotation drill similar to those used today.
http://siberiantimes.com/science/ca...an-cave-that-stitches-together-human-history/
 
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1. What is the difference between Neanderthals and Homo erectus?

Neanderthals and Homo erectus were both early hominid species that lived during the Pleistocene epoch. However, they had some key differences in terms of physical characteristics and behavior. Neanderthals had a stockier build and larger brains than Homo erectus, and they were adapted to colder climates. Additionally, Neanderthals were known for their use of tools and sophisticated hunting techniques, while Homo erectus primarily used simple tools and were more nomadic in nature.

2. How did Homo erectus evolve into modern humans?

Homo erectus is considered an important ancestor of modern humans, but the exact process of evolution is still being studied and debated. Some evidence suggests that Homo erectus eventually evolved into Homo sapiens through a gradual process of evolution, while others propose that there may have been some interbreeding between the two species. More research is needed to fully understand the evolutionary path from Homo erectus to modern humans.

3. When did Neanderthals and Homo erectus live?

Neanderthals are believed to have lived between 400,000 and 40,000 years ago, primarily in Europe and parts of Asia. Homo erectus, on the other hand, lived from approximately 1.9 million years ago to about 70,000 years ago and is thought to have originated in Africa before spreading to other parts of the world.

4. What caused the extinction of Neanderthals and Homo erectus?

The exact reasons for the extinction of these two hominid species are not fully understood, but there are several theories. Some suggest that environmental changes and competition with other species may have played a role, while others propose that interbreeding and assimilation into the Homo sapiens population led to their disappearance.

5. How do we know about the behavior and lifestyle of Neanderthals and Homo erectus?

Scientists use a variety of methods to study the behavior and lifestyle of these early hominids. This includes analyzing their fossilized remains, studying their tools and artifacts, and using genetic studies to understand their relationships and movements. Additionally, researchers also look at the behavior and lifestyle of modern primates and use this information to make inferences about the behavior of Neanderthals and Homo erectus.

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