Human powered still - Nichrome wire

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the design of a human-powered still, specifically focusing on the use of nichrome wire for converting electricity generated by a DC motor into heat for boiling water. Participants explore the challenges of electrically insulating the nichrome wire while maintaining thermal conductivity, as well as considerations regarding human power output and energy efficiency.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the project as using a bike to power a DC motor, generating 100-250 watts, and seeks advice on insulating nichrome wire electrically while allowing for thermal transfer.
  • Another participant clarifies the use of the motor as a generator and suggests using high-temperature paint for insulation, noting its limitations in flexibility.
  • A follow-up inquiry asks about the properties of high-temperature paint, emphasizing the need for electrical insulation and efficient heat transfer.
  • Further discussion includes a suggestion to examine commercially available coffee/tea warmers for insights into heating elements that are insulated yet effective.
  • Participants discuss the physical demands of generating power, with one noting the significant effort required to produce 100 watts, equating it to lifting a weight repeatedly.
  • Another participant shares personal experience with stationary bikes, indicating average power outputs during exercise, contributing to the discussion on human energy output.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying views on the best methods for insulating nichrome wire and the practicality of human power output. No consensus is reached on the optimal insulation method or the efficiency of the proposed designs.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved questions regarding the effectiveness of high-temperature paint as an insulator and the specific requirements for thermal conductivity in the design. The discussion also highlights the physical effort required to generate the necessary power, which may influence design considerations.

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Individuals interested in renewable energy design, human-powered devices, electrical insulation methods, and energy efficiency in mechanical systems may find this discussion relevant.

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The ASME design competition is to design a human powered still... basically to use human power to boil water. We have a bike running a DC motor, producing a range of 100-250 watts (depending on pedal speed, we need to test this).
To convert this to electricty, we were thinking of using nichrome wire. However, as far as I know this wire is electrically live, so we can't just put it in water or put it on a copper pot.
How can we insulate the wire electrically, but not thermally?
Thanks,
Drew
 
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Your terminology is a bit confusing. I assume you mean that you're using the motor as a generator, and want to use the NiChrome to convert the electricity into heat.
As for the insulation aspect, I believe that a couple of coats of engine enamel or other high-temperature paint would work. It's not flexible though, so have the wire in the desired shape before coating.
 
Thanks, I'm looking into the high temp paint idea.
You got it, I'm using the dc motor as a generator to produce electricity.
What exactly does high temp paint do? I want to electrically insulate it, but allow for maximum heat transfer from the wire to the water. (or wire to copper pot to water).
 
The paint doesn't exactly do anything that other paints don't, but its chemical make-up is designed to withstand extreme temperatures without degrading. It's used to paint car engines, barbecue grills, and such-like. Although some of them might be electrically conductive, most are not.
 
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gtg357i said:
To convert this to electricty, we were thinking of using nichrome wire. However, as far as I know this wire is electrically live, so we can't just put it in water or put it on a copper pot.
How can we insulate the wire electrically, but not thermally?
Thanks,
Drew

You could also look at the supermarket for the handy coffee/tea warmer things that plug into the wall socket, and have a small coil that you put in your cup to heat the liquid. You could either use it straight away, or tear it apart to see how they do it. The outer layer of the coil is metal, but it is not energized directly with wall voltage, obviously, since that would give even decaf coffee quite a jolt!
 
BTW, get someone in good shape to ride the bike. 1/4 kilowatt is serious sweat.

100 W = 100 J/s = 100 N-m/s

100 N is about 22 pounds force. so to power your 100 watt bulb, you have to lift a 22 pound object up from the floor to a table top 1 meter higher, and you have to repeat this every second. will get tedious after a while.

think of that when you imagine all these empty and lit buildings overnight. we waste a f0ck of a lot of energy, especially when you equate it to human terms.
 
I second rbj's comment. When I ride the stationary bikes in our company Gym, they tell me something like 125W for the average power output for a 30 minute ride usually. I'm no LanceA, but I do push reasonably hard.
 

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