Hydraulic resistor as a constriction in a pipe

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The discussion revolves around the hydraulic analogy of electric circuits, specifically the representation of a resistor as a constriction in a pipe. Participants explore the implications of this analogy, particularly regarding the pressure drop across the constriction and its comparison to voltage drop in electrical circuits. The conversation touches on concepts from fluid mechanics, including Bernoulli's principle and Poiseuille's law.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes the hydraulic model of electric circuits, equating fluid pressure to voltage and flow rate to current, but struggles to explain the pressure drop across a constriction.
  • Another participant expresses skepticism about the hydraulic analogy, arguing that fluid mechanics is more complex than electrical circuits and that analogies should simplify concepts rather than complicate them.
  • A different participant mentions that viscosity in laminar flow can lead to a predictable pressure drop according to Poiseuille's law, although they note that this law lacks an electrical analogue.
  • Another participant points out that there are pressure losses in fluid systems, such as shock and form losses, and references standard values provided by valve manufacturers.
  • One participant comments on the contributions of others, suggesting that the complexity of the hydraulic analogy undermines its effectiveness as a teaching tool.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the usefulness of the hydraulic analogy, with some finding it overly complex and others attempting to reconcile it with fluid mechanics principles. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the effectiveness of the analogy in teaching concepts related to electric circuits.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight limitations in the hydraulic analogy, including assumptions made in Bernoulli's principle and the lack of a direct electrical analogue for Poiseuille's law. There is also mention of various types of pressure losses that complicate the analogy.

etotheipi
Earlier I was trying to explain to one of my siblings why current is constant in a series connection (invoking that if it weren't we would have an accumulation of charge, etc.), however to give a more intuitive picture I tried to describe the hydraulic model of electric circuits, representing a resistor as a constriction in a pipe. The analogues of potential and current were fluid pressure and flow rate respectively.

However, on the spot I couldn't come up with a satisfactory explanation for the pressure (i.e. voltage) drop. If it is to behave like it's electrical analogue, we would expect a permanent drop in fluid pressure between both ends of the constriction. Yet as far as I am aware, if the cross-sectional areas of the pipe are equal before and after the constriction (and if we ignore changes in height), by Bernoulli's principle the pressures before and after the constriction should also be equal!

I reasoned that "turbulence effects" would result in the pressure drop, however this on its own doesn't lend itself particularly nicely to a neat calculation of the size of the pressure drop. I was wondering if I am on the right track here?

Thanks for your help!
 
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This is one reason why the hydraulic analogy is so pointless to me. Fluid mechanics is much more complicated than circuits. I don’t like analogies that are more complicated than the thing they are explaining.

The derivation of Bernoulli’s principle assumes no losses due to friction, turbulence, or heat.
 
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I hesitate to promote the hydraulic analogy, but viscosity with laminar flow gives a nice predictable pressure drop according to Poiseuille's law.

[Of course, Poiseuille's law itself has no electrical analogue. To my knowledge, charge flow is not viscous]
 
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yes there are pressure losses called variously shock, form, or unrecoverable losses. there are tables of values for standard fittings (elbows, tees, etc.) and valves. valve manufacturers will give this info in the form of Cv values.
 
Both @jbriggs444 and @gmax137 helped to prove @Dale 's point. Analogies are supposed to be simpler. If they aren't simpler, they make very poor teaching tools.
 
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