Hydrogen peroxide/ sulfuric acid mixture

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the chemical reactions occurring when mixing sodium iodide with hydrochloric acid, followed by the addition of a hydrogen peroxide and sulfuric acid mixture. Participants explore the unexpected formation of a black precipitate and the implications of using various chemicals, particularly in the context of a demonstration involving potassium iodide.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Technical explanation, Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant describes creating a black precipitate after mixing sodium iodide with hydrochloric acid and then adding a hydrogen peroxide/sulfuric acid mixture, expressing uncertainty about the reaction.
  • Another participant notes the realization that they were not working with pure hydrogen peroxide, suggesting that sulfur may have precipitated due to the smell and appearance of the mixture.
  • A different participant recalls that sulfur is typically yellow and questions whether sulfuric acid can oxidize peroxide to form sulfur, suggesting that the chances of sulfur formation are low.
  • One participant acknowledges that sulfuric acid may not have been a significant factor in the reaction.
  • A humorous remark is made about the impracticality of using the mixture for an elephant toothpaste demonstration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the role of sulfuric acid in the reaction and the nature of the precipitate formed. There is no consensus on the chemical processes involved or the identity of the precipitate.

Contextual Notes

Participants reference various chemical properties and reactions, but there are unresolved assumptions regarding the specific concentrations and interactions of the chemicals involved, as well as the implications of using inherited chemicals without clear labeling.

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Hi, I'm not sure what I just created. First I mixed sodium iodide with hydrochloric acid. Then to that I added a hydrogen peroxide/ sulfuric acid mixture (thinking it was just hydrogen peroxide). It seems a black precipitate is forming.

I was trying to make potassium iodide using an inherited box of mystery chemicals (probably not a good idea, granted) from a previous teacher for elephant toothpaste demo.
 
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It is similar, yes. I just sort of did a double take when I realized I wasn't working with hydrogen peroxide, but some mixture of h2o2 and sulfuric acid. I was thinking maybe sulfur precipitated as well given the smell. It also has a much finer grain and slightly greyish color.
 
Sulphur as far as I remember, is yellow colour. Hydrogen Peroxide is usually mixed with little sulphuric acid or phosphoric acid or glycerine, as they work as negative catalyst in the disproportionation reaction, in which Peroxide converts into water and dioxygen. (Considering I remember I had been taught)

As for Sulphur, I am not sure that Sulphuric acid has enough strength to oxidise Peroxide and get reduced itself to form Sulphur, so chances of sulphur formation is nil.
 
Ok, I guess the sulfuric acid wasn't really part of it after all.
 
Please don't brush an elephant's teeth with your concoction.
 
Don't worry, elephants' teeth are hard to reach. He won't bother. :wink:
 

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