Hydrostatic and atmospheric pressure

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The discussion centers on the principles of hydrostatic and atmospheric pressure, specifically addressing the misconception regarding water retention in an inverted glass versus a straw. The participants clarify that while Pascal's law (P = P0 + ρgh) applies, the pressure at the top of the glass (P0) is atmospheric pressure, not zero. The key takeaway is that the surface tension of water in a straw allows it to maintain its shape, whereas the larger diameter of a glass does not provide the same effect, leading to water falling out when inverted.

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So I've been wondering, 10.3 meter of water amount for one atmosphere, and according to Pascal's law pressure can compute by P=P0+ ρgh. If we have a glass with 10 cm of water inside , the pressure in the glass would be lower than atmospheric pressure and therefore when you turn the cup upside down water shouldn't fall, like when you have a straw! But in reality water does fall, what am i missing ?

thank you for your help :)
 
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The pressure under any depth of water is the atmospheric pressure (P0) above the water plus the rho g h from the static water pressure.
 
I expect that i have a vacuum in the bottom of the glass, so P0=0.
 
Thom_Silva said:
I expect that i have a vacuum in the bottom of the glass, so P0=0.

P0 is the pressure at the top, not at the bottom.
 
I'm talking when you turn the glass upside down... pressure at bottom should be 0, right? pressure at the surface should be equal to 1 atmosphere.
 
My question could be formulated in a different way. If we can hold 10.3 meters of water in a straw, why doesn't the same happen with the glass?
 
Water is a liquid and can't hold its shape well enough to stay in. Try the same with a can of jello.
 
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russ_watters said:
Water is a liquid and can't hold its shape well enough to stay in. Try the same with a can of jello.
So that is the reason...Thank you very much!. In the straw water holds because it's somehow easy for water to maintain it's structure, right ?
 
Thom_Silva said:
So that is the reason...Thank you very much!. In the straw water holds because it's somehow easy for water to maintain it's structure, right ?
Yes. For the small diameter of the straw, the surface tension of the water is enough to hold it's shape.
 
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firstly inverting the glass you have p atm at the open surface of the glass trying to push the liquid inwards BUT
oh man you are forgetting mg the weight of water , the pressure cannot balance that !
 
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No, you're wrong. Pressure does balance that. That's why if you put a card on top of the glass and turn it down, the card would stuck onto the cup as well as the water . Pressure is a manifestation of the weight of a substance on other. I'm pretty sure I'm right, nevertheless it will be good if someone could back me up.
 
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hey
the card is so light !
however we all know that water falls off the glass, so then how can you reason that ?
if i am wrong
 
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I could be explaining in words, but this video does a better job :
 
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i am unable to open the video link
 
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please send the URL
 
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Shreyas Samudra said:
please send the URL
Go to youtube search for : The history of the barometer (and how it works) - Asaf Bar-Yosef
 

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