Hydrostatics: should I use P1A1 = P2A2 or P1 = P2?

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The discussion revolves around hydrostatics, specifically the equilibrium of two fluids separated by a rigid plate and the appropriate equations to use for analyzing the pressure and density relationships between the fluids.

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  • Conceptual clarification, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants explore the use of two different equations: P1A1 = P2A2 and P1 = P2, questioning which is appropriate for determining the ratio of fluid densities. There is discussion about the implications of pressure being a function of depth and the balance of forces on the plate.

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Some participants have provided insights regarding the nature of pressure and its dependence on depth, suggesting that P1 = P2 may not be applicable in this context. Others have raised questions about the necessity of balancing moments on the barrier, indicating a productive exploration of the problem.

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There is mention of differing interpretations from academic sources and personal instruction, highlighting potential confusion regarding the correct application of hydrostatic principles in this scenario.

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Homework Statement
The figure shows the situation in which two fluids (liquids I and II), with densities ρI and ρII, are separated by a rigid plate of height H, supported on a frictionless base. In order for the plate to be on equilibrium on the rigid plate, the ratio between the densities of the liquids must be ρI / ρII. = ?

Hey guys, in order to find ρI / ρII, should I use:

ρI.g.H1 = ρII.g.H2 (P1 = P2)

or

ρI.g.H1.H1.c = ρII.g.H2.H2.c (P1A1 = P2A2)
Relevant Equations
ρI.g.H1 = ρII.g.H2 (P1 = P2)
ρI.g.H1.H1.c = ρII.g.H2.H2.c (P1A1 = P2A2)
I used P1A1 = P2A2 and my professor said that P1=P2 is correct, but some sources on the internet say that P1A1=P2A2 is correct, just like I did, but unfortunately no one explains why one or the other is the correct answer.
For P1A1 = P2A2 you get ρI / ρII = 1/4 and for P1=P2 you get ρI / ρII = 1/2.
 

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rbmartel said:
Homework Statement:: The figure shows the situation in which two fluids (liquids I and II), with densities ρI and ρII, are separated by a rigid plate of height H, supported on a frictionless base. In order for the plate to be on equilibrium on the rigid plate, the ratio between the densities of the liquids must be ρI / ρII. = ?

Hey guys, in order to find ρI / ρII, should I use:

ρI.g.H1 = ρII.g.H2 (P1 = P2)

or

ρI.g.H1.H1.c = ρII.g.H2.H2.c (P1A1 = P2A2)
Relevant Equations:: ρI.g.H1 = ρII.g.H2 (P1 = P2)
ρI.g.H1.H1.c = ρII.g.H2.H2.c (P1A1 = P2A2)

I used P1A1 = P2A2 and my professor said that P1=P2 is correct, but some sources on the internet say that P1A1=P2A2 is correct, just like I did, but unfortunately no one explains why one or the other is the correct answer.
For P1A1 = P2A2 you get ρI / ρII = 1/4 and for P1=P2 you get ρI / ρII = 1/2.
It's just the balance of forces on the plate. If they are not equal the plate will accelerate as per Newton’s laws.
P1=P2 makes no sense since the pressure is a function of depth. If the pressures are equal at the bottom they are not going to be equal half way up, and certainly not equal above that.
 
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In addition to what @haruspex said, do you also need to balance the moments on the barrier, or are the forces not large enough to tilt it?
 
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haruspex said:
It's just the balance of forces on the plate. If they are not equal the plate will accelerate as per Newton’s laws.
P1=P2 makes no sense since the pressure is a function of depth. If the pressures are equal at the bottom they are not going to be equal half way up, and certainly not equal above that.
Thank you very much! "since the pressure is a function of depth" that answers my questions.
 
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Chestermiller said:
In addition to what @haruspex said, do you also need to balance the moments on the barrier, or are the forces not large enough to tilt it?
Nope, it is not required to balance the moments in this specific problem. Thank you!
 
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