I am a lot of problems with parametrizing surfaces

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The discussion revolves around evaluating a surface integral over a region defined by a cylinder and two planes. The original poster expresses difficulty in parametrizing the surfaces involved in the integral.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss the need to break the surface into separate pieces due to differing normal vectors. Questions are raised about the parametrization of the cylinder and the planes, as well as the independence of variables in these contexts.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the parametrization of the surfaces, suggesting that the original poster reconsider their method of attempting to parametrize the entire surface at once. There is an exploration of different parametrization techniques for the cylinder and the planes.

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The original poster has provided specific intervals for the variables but is uncertain about the ranges for the z values. There is also mention of the challenges posed by the sharp edges where the cylinder meets the planes.

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Homework Statement




Evaluate the surface integral

\iint_S xy \;dS

S is the boundary is the boundary of the region enclosed by the cylinder x^2 + z^2 =1 and the planes y = 0 and x + y = 2


2. The Solutions

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The Attempt at a Solution



I honestly don't understand a thing in the solutions, especially the parametrization. I just don't even know where to begin. I know the enclosed surface, but I just don't know the math to write it out.

I can compute the integral fine, but I can't parametrize the surface.

I drew a picture, but I can't upload it.

This is what I have so far

y \in [0,2-x]

x \in [-1,1]

And I don't have a good clue about the ranges for the z values...
 
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Based upon the intervals you wrote down, it looks like you are trying to find a single parametrization for the whole surface- don't try that. This will not work because the pieces of the surface, i.e. the cylinder and the two planes, have different normal vectors.

1) Do you see why they broke S up into 3 separate surfaces?
2) Do you know how to parametrize a cylinder (whose axis lies on a Cartesian coordinate axis) and a plane?

To parametrize a surface you need two parameters.
One of the planes is y=0, which means that x and z are independent variables. So a parametrization for this plane in rectangular coordinates is
r = < x, 0, z >. However, since you know that this plane intersects a cylinder, you may want to change to cylindrical coordinates. (Then again since you are integrating xy over this surface, you don't need calculate anything for this plane. Do you see why?)

What about the other plane?

This particular cylinder has its axis on the y-axis, rather than the z-axis, so y is an independent variable. If you use cylindrical coordinates, which of r or \theta
is constant in the parametrization of the cylinder?
 
Generally speaking "nice" function is differentiable. Any time a surface has sharp edges, as where the cylinder meets the planes, you cannot describe it with a single differentiable function. Any point in 3 space has "position vector",
\vec{r}= x\vec{i}+ y\vec{j}+ z\vec{k}

Every point in the plane y= 0 has the obvious position vector \vec{r}(x, z)= x\vec{i}+ z\vec{k}. Every point in the plane x+ y= 2 satisifies y= 2- x so you can write its position vector \vec{r}(x,z)= x\vec{i}+ (2- x)\vec{j}+ z\vec{k}. Finally, since cos^2(\theta)+ sin^2(\theta)= 1, we can set x= cos(\theta) and z= sin(\theta) for the the cylinder x^2+ z^2= 1.
 
Ok thanks guys looks like I was just making iths more difficult than it needs to be trying to parametrize the whole thing
 

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