I can't seem to understand the ratio test proof

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The discussion revolves around understanding the proof of the ratio test in calculus, specifically in the context of infinite series. The original poster expresses confusion regarding certain aspects of the proof, particularly the introduction of an integer N and its relevance to the limit of the sequence involved.

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  • The original poster attempts to clarify the proof's steps and the significance of the limit, questioning the necessity of the integer N. Some participants suggest that N is derived from the definition of a limit, indicating that as n increases, the sequence approaches the limit L.

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Participants are actively engaging with the proof, offering insights into the definition of limits and how they apply to the sequence in question. There is a recognition of potential typos in the proof that may contribute to the confusion. The conversation is ongoing, with some clarification provided, but no consensus has been reached on all aspects of the proof.

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Participants note that the proof may contain small typos, which could hinder understanding. The original poster is working within the constraints of a homework assignment, seeking to grasp the underlying concepts rather than simply obtaining answers.

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Hi everyone, I'm currently taking Calc II course and I'm kind of stuck in this ratio test proof thing.

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http://blogs.ubc.ca/infiniteseriesmodule/appendices/proof-of-the-ratio-test/proof-of-the-ratio-test/

I'm trying to understand the proof, but there are some parts that I don't really get.
So assuming that |an+1/an| = L < 1
and that L < r
|an+1/an| < r
but then, the proof says there is an integer N which is < or = to n. From where did that come from? Why do we need it in the first place? And how does it relate to the proof?
The proof goes on and I don't really have any idea what's going on.

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I tried making a number line to understand what's going on but this seems so subtle.
 
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there are some small typos in the proof which maybe make it harder to understand it, but anyway that N comes from the definition of the limit of a sequence (this is stated in the proof that it follows from the formal definition of the limit). Intuitively when we know that a sequence Cn has limit L this means that Cn gets closer to L as n grows larger. So if we want Cn to be close enough to L so that it is L<Cn<r all we have to do is to choose a large enough N and for all n>=N it will be L<Cn<r.

The proof utilizes of this fact for the sequence Cn=|an+1/an|. It uses this N to prove that |aN+k|<|aN|rk. From this last inequality you can prove that the series \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}|a_{N+k}| converges (because it is bounded by the geometric series \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}|a_{N}|r^k which obviously converges). Now the series \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}|a_{k}| also converges because it differs from the \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}|a_{N+k}| only by a finite sum \sum_{k=1}^{N}|a_k|
 
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A.MHF said:
Hi everyone, I'm currently taking Calc II course and I'm kind of stuck in this ratio test proof thing.

Homework Statement



http://blogs.ubc.ca/infiniteseriesmodule/appendices/proof-of-the-ratio-test/proof-of-the-ratio-test/

I'm trying to understand the proof, but there are some parts that I don't really get.
So assuming that |an+1/an| = L < 1
The proof doesn't say ##\lvert a_{n+1}/a_n \rvert = L##. It says that
$$\lim_{n \to \infty} \left\lvert \frac{a_{n+1}}{a_n} \right\rvert = L.$$ If you understand what the limit means, the proof should make more sense to you.
 
Delta² said:
there are some small typos in the proof which maybe make it harder to understand it, but anyway that N comes from the definition of the limit of a sequence (this is stated in the proof that it follows from the formal definition of the limit). Intuitively when we know that a sequence Cn has limit L this means that Cn gets closer to L as n grows larger. So if we want Cn to be close enough to L so that it is L<Cn<r all we have to do is to choose a large enough N and for all n>=N it will be L<Cn<r.

The proof utilizes of this fact for the sequence Cn=|an+1/an|. It uses this N to prove that |aN+k|<|aN|rk. From this last inequality you can prove that the series \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}|a_{N+k}| converges (because it is bounded by the geometric series \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}|a_{N}|r^k which obviously converges). Now the series \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}|a_{k}| also converges because it differs from the \sum_{k=1}^{\infty}|a_{N+k}| only by a finite sum \sum_{k=1}^{N}|a_k|

Thanks, that makes much more sense now!

Vela: yea sorry, I knew about the limit I just forgot to type it.
 

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