I don't understand this property of arctan(x)'

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The discussion revolves around the derivatives of the arctangent function, specifically comparing the derivatives of arctan(x) and arctan(x - sqrt(x^2 + 1)). Participants explore the relationship between these derivatives and the implications of a constant that arises in the context of their comparison.

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  • Technical explanation, Debate/contested, Mathematical reasoning

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants state that the derivative of arctan(x) is \(\frac{1}{x^2+1}\) and that the derivative of arctan(x - sqrt(x^2 + 1)) is \(\frac{1}{2(x^2+1)}\).
  • One participant proposes that if arctan(x) is A and arctan(x - sqrt(x^2 + 1)) is B, then A' = \(\frac{1}{x^2+1}\) and B' = \(\frac{1}{2}*A'\), questioning why \(\frac{1}{2}*A\) does not equal B.
  • Another participant expresses interest in seeing the derivation of B' and notes that their results do not match the earlier claims.
  • One participant mentions using Mathematica to simplify the expression, arriving at \(\frac{1}{2+2x^2}\) and suggesting a relationship between arctan(x) and arctan(x - sqrt(x^2 + 1)), leading to a constant C that they believe equals \(\frac{\pi}{4}\).
  • Another participant suggests a method to find C by setting \(z = \tan^{-1}(x - \sqrt{1 + x^2})\) and solving for x.
  • A later reply acknowledges the presence of a constant and expresses gratitude for the clarification provided by others.
  • One participant notes that Wolfram's solution did not initially consider the chain rule, indicating progress in understanding.
  • Another participant confirms that the first result regarding the derivative was correct and that simplification leads to the expected expression.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the relationship between the derivatives and the constant C. While some agree on the correctness of the derivatives, the discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of these relationships and the determination of C.

Contextual Notes

There are unresolved mathematical steps regarding the simplification of the derivatives and the determination of the constant C. Participants rely on computational tools and personal derivations, which may lead to varying interpretations.

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The derivative of arctan(x) is [itex]\frac{1}{x^2+1}[/itex]

The derivative of arctan(x - sqrt(x^2 + 1) is [itex]\frac{1}{2(x^2+1)}[/itex]

take arctan(x) to be A and arctan(x-sqrt(x^2 + 1)) to be B.

[itex]A'=\frac{1}{x^2+1}[/itex]
[itex]B'=\frac{1}{2}*A'[/itex]

Why doesn't [itex]\frac{1}{2}*A=B[/itex]?

If you'd like, I can prove the derivative for you, but it's moderately tedious to simplify it to that point.
 
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mr_garlic said:
The derivative of arctan(x) is [itex]\frac{1}{x^2+1}[/itex]

The derivative of arctan(x - sqrt(x^2 + 1) is [itex]\frac{1}{2(x^2+1)}[/itex]

take arctan(x) to be A and arctan(x-sqrt(x^2 + 1)) to be B.

[itex]A'=\frac{1}{x^2+1}[/itex]
[itex]B'=\frac{1}{2}*A'[/itex]

Why doesn't [itex]\frac{1}{2}*A=B[/itex]?

If you'd like, I can prove the derivative for you, but it's moderately tedious to simplify it to that point.
Yes, I would like to see your derivation of B'. I get nothing like that!
 
That's what I came out with!
 
I plugged this into mathematica and it indeed simplifies to [tex]\frac{1}{2+2x^2}[/tex]. Which would suggest that [itex]\arctan(x)=2 \arctan(x-\sqrt{x^2+1})+C[/itex]. Therefore [itex]C=\arctan(x)-2\arctan(x-\sqrt{x^2+1})=\frac{\pi}{4}[/itex].

Picture:
http://img32.imageshack.us/img32/3028/arctan.jpg

I am not sure how to find C yet, mathematica wasn't able to find it and I am not in the mood to try and symplify it currently. However all the numerical values I tried yielded pi/4.
 
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Cyosis said:
I am not sure how to find C yet, mathematica wasn't able to find it and I am not in the mood to try and symplify it currently. However all the numerical values I tried yielded pi/4.

One way is to set

[tex] z=\tan^{-1} \left(x - \sqrt{1 + x^2} \right),[/tex]

so that

[tex]\tan z = x - \sqrt{1 + x^2}[/tex]

Solving for [itex]x[/itex] then leads directly to your result.
 
Haven't had a chance to check the thread until now.

I completely forgot that there's a constant!

That makes so much sense, thank you everyone.

P.S. I'm only in the first calc class, this just really bothered me, and I didn't want to wait till class on tuesday to find out why it worked out the way it did.
 
That's a clever way to solve it George.

Mr_garlic, your first result was correct. After simplification that ugly looking expression will reduce to the nice expression you found in your first post.
 

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