I feel bad I can't understand the most simple of algebra

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The discussion revolves around understanding the associative properties of addition and multiplication in algebra. The original poster shares their background in mathematics, expressing a desire to improve their skills after a long break from formal education. They present specific problems related to verifying these properties and calculating expressions, while also addressing a word problem involving hourly pay.

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  • Participants discuss the associative property of multiplication, questioning how to apply it to the given problems. The original poster expresses confusion about the calculations and seeks tips or hints for solving the problems. There is also a focus on understanding the setup of a word problem and the correct use of variables.

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Some participants have offered guidance on how to approach the problems by suggesting to follow the pattern shown in the example. There is an acknowledgment of the need for a refresher on certain concepts, and multiple interpretations of the problems are being explored without a clear consensus on the solutions.

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The original poster mentions a lack of understanding in basic algebra concepts, particularly after a significant break from studying math. They also note the challenge of transitioning from theoretical understanding to practical application in problem-solving.

  • #61
BadFish said:
P = (r1 * t1) + (r2 * t2)

$550 = (10/per hour * 40) + ($15 per hour * 10)

As Mark44 mentioned, we are looking for an expression(s), not specific values.
Yes we could have 2 equations with condition on each.
This is actually very useful for the general case, where work is anywhere from 1hr up to some large number.

For your original question:
Calculate your pay if you work more than 40 hours and are paid time and one half for every hour past 40.

for example:
P - pay ($)
r - normal rate of pay ($/hr)
t - time worked (hr)

equ. (1) P = r * t ; amount of pay working < or = 40 hrs
equ. (2) P = (3/2)r * t; amount pay for "only" time worked > 40hrs
Total Pay is sum of equ. (1) and (2)

For your example, we are given the person is working more than 40 hrs.
I suggested we could write this in a combined expression of the form:

equ. (3) P = (r1 * t1) + (r2 * t2)

here are the values I was hoping you would determine from our disussion:
r1 = r (the normal pay rate)
t1 = 40 (maximum normal number of hours)
r2 = (3/2) * r (time and a half; one and half times normal rate)
t2 = t-40 (the number of hours over 40 that have been worked)

Substituting those terms into the combined equation (3)
and you have valid solution to this problem, written in terms of the original r and t.
 
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  • #62
BadFish said:
Ahh, I see. I was supposed to write it in algebra format.

That makes sense

Let's say p = $550, then
P= 10*(40) + 15(the overtime rate)*10

To get the overtime rate multiply 1.5 x 10 (the normal rate)

No, let's not say that P = $550. You are starting with what you assume to be the answer, and as I said before, your answer will not be a specific number.

If the employee works H hours at $10/hour, what is the employee's gross pay?

You need to take into account whether the employee worked overtime hours, and your two formulas should produce algebraic expressions, not numbers, that reflect two situations.
 

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