I get a close error/remainder to this series, but it's wrong why?

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The discussion revolves around the Taylor series for the function f(x) = ln(sec(x)) centered at a = 0. Participants are examining the error in approximating ln(sec(-0.1)) using its fourth-degree Taylor polynomial.

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  • Participants discuss the calculation of coefficients for the Taylor series and the resulting error in approximation. There are questions about the accuracy of the computed error values and the implications of using different levels of precision in calculations. Some participants express uncertainty about the necessity of considering higher-degree terms in the polynomial.

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There is an ongoing exploration of the discrepancies in error values and the rationale behind using Lagrange's remainder formula versus direct computation of the error. Participants are engaging with each other's reasoning and questioning assumptions about the calculations.

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Some participants note the potential limitations of floating-point calculations and the relevance of precision in the context of the problem. There is also mention of the specific terms considered in the Taylor series expansion and their impact on the accuracy of the approximation.

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Homework Statement


The Taylor series for f(x) = ln(sec(x)) at a = 0 is ##Σ_{n=0}^{∞} c_n x^n##.

(a) Find the first few coefficients. (I don't need help for this part.)

(b) Find the exact error in approximating ln(sec(-0.1)) by its fourth-degree Taylor polynomial at a = 0.

Homework Equations


E(x) = f(x) - ##P_n (x)##, or in this case, E(-0.1) = f(-0.1) - ##P_4 (-0.1)##


The Attempt at a Solution


I found the cofficients of each term of the polynomial, but I don't feel it's necessary to show you how I did that, since you can just confirm that I'm right by looking here.:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=ln(sec(x))+maclaurin+polynomial

If I'm correct, for this problem, the error is the difference between the function and the 4th degree polynomial.:
E(-0.1) = f(-0.1) - ##P_4 (-0.1)## = ln(sec(-0.1)) – (1/2*0.1^2+1/12*0.1^4) = 2.22899019757457996644E-8 ≠ 2.22899018157481E-8

Notice how my answer (which is the one on the left-hand side) differs slightly from the correct answer (which is the one on the right-hand side) of the problem.

Where is this small disagreement in error/remainder values coming from?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!
 
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s3a said:

Homework Statement


The Taylor series for f(x) = ln(sec(x)) at a = 0 is ##Σ_{n=0}^{∞} c_n x^n##.

(a) Find the first few coefficients. (I don't need help for this part.)

(b) Find the exact error in approximating ln(sec(-0.1)) by its fourth-degree Taylor polynomial at a = 0.

Homework Equations


E(x) = f(x) - ##P_n (x)##, or in this case, E(-0.1) = f(-0.1) - ##P_4 (-0.1)##


The Attempt at a Solution


I found the cofficients of each term of the polynomial, but I don't feel it's necessary to show you how I did that, since you can just confirm that I'm right by looking here.:
http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=ln(sec(x))+maclaurin+polynomial

If I'm correct, for this problem, the error is the difference between the function and the 4th degree polynomial.:
E(-0.1) = f(-0.1) - ##P_4 (-0.1)## = ln(sec(-0.1)) – (1/2*0.1^2+1/12*0.1^4) = 2.22899019757457996644E-8 ≠ 2.22899018157481E-8

Notice how my answer (which is the one on the left-hand side) differs slightly from the correct answer (which is the one on the right-hand side) of the problem.

Where is this small disagreement in error/remainder values coming from?

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

Who ever generated that 'correct' answer probably used a floating point calculator that was only accurate to 16 decimal places. There's no real reason to list that many decimal places. Especially when the last 12 or so aren't even correct.
 
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Dick said:
Who ever generated that 'correct' answer probably used a floating point calculator that was only accurate to 16 decimal places. There's no real reason to list that many decimal places. Especially when the last 12 or so aren't even correct.
Okay, so ln(sec(-0.1)) – (1/2*0.1^2+1/12*0.1^4) is the correct answer, right?

Also, I have to consider only up to, and including, n=4 and not n=5, right? I ask since the n=5 case yields 0, so I just want to make sure that I understand the procedure correctly too, and it's not just a coincidence that I get the correct answer (because of the n=5 case being 0, in this case).

Assuming everything is fine concerning what I said above, could you please tell me why one would use Lagrange's remainder formula instead of just computing ##E(x) = f(x) – P_n(x)## (which seems easier and yields and accurate answer)?
 
We have
0.1->2.22899019757457996644E-8
0.0999999998804874->2.22899018157481E-8

The second answer results from a less accurate calculation.
To see exactly how that happens we would need to know more about how each calculation was performed.
 
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s3a said:
...why one would use Lagrange's remainder formula instead of just computing ##E(x) = f(x) – P_n(x)## (which seems easier and yields and accurate answer)?

Lagrange's remainder formula can be used when we cannot calculate f(x).
We use the Maclaurin polynomial because f is expensive or impossible to compute. If we compute f(x) to high accuracy we might not even need to use the Maclaurin polynomial.
 
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Thanks guys! :)
 

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