I have just realized that I never saved my college thermodynamics

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for thermodynamics textbooks, specifically seeking resources that cover theory, equation derivations, and problem sets, including topics like adiabatic systems. Participants share various texts and their relevance to different fields such as physics and engineering.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant requests recommendations for a thermodynamics textbook that includes comprehensive coverage of theory and problems.
  • Another participant emphasizes the distinction that 'adiabatic' refers to a process rather than a system, suggesting that general physics texts like Sears and Zemansky or Resnick and Halliday typically cover adiabatic processes.
  • A suggestion is made to consider the NASA Compressed Gas Handbook as a free resource for gas thermodynamics.
  • One participant expresses a desire for more detailed content than what is provided in general physics texts, inquiring about the suitability of Joel's text for college thermodynamics courses.
  • Engineering Thermodynamics by Rayner Joel is recommended as a respected introductory text for mechanical engineers, covering various processes in accessible terms.
  • Basic Thermodynamics by Carrington is mentioned as a modern physics degree-level text that introduces Gibbs formulations and concepts of statistical mechanics.
  • Callen's "Thermodynamics and an Introduction to Thermostatistics" is suggested as a useful text for both physics majors and non-physicists, highlighting its accessibility.

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Participants present multiple competing views on suitable textbooks, with no consensus on a single recommendation. Different texts are proposed based on varying needs and backgrounds in physics and engineering.

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Some participants note the importance of distinguishing between general physics and engineering texts, indicating that the choice of textbook may depend on the specific focus of study in thermodynamics.

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I have just realized that I never saved my college thermodynamics textbook. Any recommendations for a good one that includes theory, equation derivations and problems? I would like it to cover all topics including adiabatic systems.

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Hopefully your new text will tell you that 'adiabatic' refers to the process, not the system.

At the level which adiabatic processes are introduced they are usually covered in a general physics text, such as Sears and Zemansky or Resnick and Halliday
You would need to try an engineering text such as that by Joel for a purely thermodynamics text.
 


Studiot said:
Hopefully your new text will tell you that 'adiabatic' refers to the process, not the system.

At the level which adiabatic processes are introduced they are usually covered in a general physics text, such as Sears and Zemansky or Resnick and Halliday
You would need to try an engineering text such as that by Joel for a purely thermodynamics text.

I do have the general physics text by Resnick. I've reread that chapter. I wanted something with more detail. Is Joel's text the one used for college thermodynamics courses?
 


Well Engineering Thermodynamics by Rayner Joel is a well respected first text for (mech) engineers who will go on to build steam and jet engines, refrigeration, heating and ventilating plant and so on. There is much discussion of adiabatic, polytropic and other processes in relatively simple terms, though still useful enough to use steam tables or build something.

A good modern physics degree level text is Basic Thermodynamics by Carrington from Oxford University Press. This introduces Gibbs formulations and the beginnings of Statmech following a good grounding in classical thermo.
 


You might also try Callen, "Thermodynamics and an Introduction to Thermostatistics." It's meant as a text for physics majors back when physics majors studied classical thermodynamics separately from stat. mech. That being said, I find this text to be very useful for and accessible to non-physicists.
 

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