I just finished my freshman year at UT majoring in aerospace engineering

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around concerns related to GPA and its implications for job prospects, internships, and graduate school applications in the field of aerospace engineering. Participants explore the relevance of academic performance versus practical skills in engineering careers.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Technical explanation

Main Points Raised

  • One participant expresses anxiety about a 2.9 GPA and its impact on future job opportunities and graduate school.
  • Another suggests that grades often improve in later years of study, implying that current GPA may not be as critical.
  • Some participants argue that networking and personal connections are more important than GPA in securing jobs.
  • A viewpoint is presented that while engineering theory is taught in schools, practical application is learned on the job, and GPA becomes less relevant over time.
  • Concerns are raised about the emphasis on GPA in certain professions, particularly law, with contrasting views on its significance in engineering and science fields.
  • One participant notes that while GPA may be important for entry-level positions and graduate school, its importance diminishes with experience.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the importance of GPA, with some emphasizing its diminishing relevance in the engineering field over time, while others highlight its significance for graduate school and initial job applications. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the weight of GPA compared to practical skills and networking.

Contextual Notes

Some participants acknowledge that the discussion is influenced by personal experiences and perceptions of the engineering profession, and there are varying opinions on how much GPA impacts hiring practices in different fields.

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My gpa was a 2.9. I'm already nervous about finding a job later or getting an internship or getting into grad school. Should I be?
 
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Just keep "hitting the books" and you should be fine! Often times, your grades will be better your junior and senior year.
 
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Schools, for all the propaganda they spew, are not very good at conveying applications of the theory they teach. Engineering theory is best learned in schools, but once that is over, the real learning on the job has to take place. Generally, with a fresh graduate, we do not expect to see useful independence on the job for at least a year, and it may take several years before they will be entrusted to lead a small project.

By then, the GPA you earned is ancient history. We care that you get the degree, not what your GPA is. I have known some people who got nearly perfect 4.0 GPAs in college and graduate school, who can't figure out how to wire an electric circuit. I wouldn't trust them to change a light bulb, let alone design an airplane.

Honestly, the only professionals I know that puts any emphasis on GPA scores are attorneys. Look how well that's working for them...
 
JakeBrodskyPE said:
Honestly, the only professionals I know that puts any emphasis on GPA scores are attorneys. Look how well that's working for them...
In all honesty, it's working like a charm for them.
 
Ryker said:
In all honesty, it's working like a charm for them.

...except that the reputation of their profession is terrible, and people only resort to discussing things with them as a last resort.

Lawyers operate on perceptions. Scientists and Engineers have to contend with Mother Nature. Mother Nature doesn't care what your GPA was. If your idea is stupid, no amount of advertising will save you.
 
JakeBrodskyPE said:
...except that the reputation of their profession is terrible,
Indeed it is in a lot of cases, but the reputation of their profession has nothing to do with their hiring practices. The reputation of the profession is terrible due to its nature, there is no real way around that. Plus, the reputation is no indicator of how well they perform their duties.
JakeBrodskyPE said:
and people only resort to discussing things with them as a last resort.
Which leads to their clients' unrealistic and untenable expectations, which in turn leads to the deterioration of the reputation when the attorneys are unable to satisfy the clients' wishes. It's like asking of a physicist to defy gravity, and then be angry when he can't.
JakeBrodskyPE said:
Lawyers operate on perceptions. Scientists and Engineers have to contend with Mother Nature. Mother Nature doesn't care what your GPA was. If your idea is stupid, no amount of advertising will save you.
I don't know what exactly you meant by that comment, but lawyers certainly don't operate on perceptions. Their approach to resolving things is as "scientific" as that of science, the only difference is that the adjudicator isn't as objective as "Mother Nature". Other than that, I agree that Mother Nature doesn't care what one's GPA is, and I'm not disputing that. The only thing I'm saying is that lawyers aren't an example you can base your argument on.
 
JakeBrodskyPE said:
Schools, for all the propaganda they spew, are not very good at conveying applications of the theory they teach. Engineering theory is best learned in schools, but once that is over, the real learning on the job has to take place. Generally, with a fresh graduate, we do not expect to see useful independence on the job for at least a year, and it may take several years before they will be entrusted to lead a small project.

By then, the GPA you earned is ancient history. We care that you get the degree, not what your GPA is. I have known some people who got nearly perfect 4.0 GPAs in college and graduate school, who can't figure out how to wire an electric circuit. I wouldn't trust them to change a light bulb, let alone design an airplane.

Honestly, the only professionals I know that puts any emphasis on GPA scores are attorneys. Look how well that's working for them...
This is all more-or-less true. I would add however that the poster indicated an interest in graduate school, so his or her gpa may be important. Also, gpa is important to many companies for entry level engineering positions. After a few years, as you said, your gpa will fade into the background.
 

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