I know the force of gravity inside a hollow sphere is 0, but

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The discussion revolves around the concept of gravitational force inside a hollow sphere, specifically addressing the reasoning behind the assertion that the force is zero within such a structure. Participants explore theoretical explanations, mathematical approaches, and the implications of Newton's Shell Theorem.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant recalls being told in class that the gravitational force inside a hollow sphere is zero but seeks clarification on the underlying reasoning and relevant equations.
  • Another participant suggests using the equation for gravitational force and field, indicating that integrating with respect to mass elements (dm) may require a suitable coordinate system for symmetry.
  • A suggestion is made to look up Newton's Shell Theorems for further understanding.
  • A link to the Shell Theorem is provided, along with a simpler explanation using the superposition principle, stating that the effects of a negative mass sphere cancel out with the larger sphere's mass inside the cavity.
  • One participant expresses confusion regarding the reasoning behind the superposition argument, questioning the treatment of the overlapping mass and the remaining shell's influence.
  • Another participant acknowledges the reasoning behind the superposition principle but points out that for the argument to hold, one must already accept that the outer shell has no influence on the gravitational field inside.
  • A participant mentions a proof that the gravitational field must be uniform inside a spherical cavity, noting that it relies on the shell theorem and requires integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying levels of understanding and agreement regarding the reasoning behind the gravitational force being zero inside a hollow sphere. Some support the superposition principle, while others challenge its application, indicating that the discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes references to mathematical integration and the assumptions underlying the Shell Theorem, which are not fully resolved within the conversation.

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We were never given an explanation in class. I remember in my high school physics class last year, our teacher told us this is true but never showed us why. All he said was that you had to integrate a function relating distance to mass, and the result would be a net force of 0 anywhere inside the hollow sphere

Can someone help me out with this? Maybe not tell me the answer, just inform me on what equation to work with, as i enjoy figuring things out on my own if possible.

Thanks, guys!
 
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G dm1 m2 / r^2 to find net force. Or G dm / r^2 to find the field.
Doing the integral with dm is a little odd feeling so write dm in terms of some coordinate system that makes symmetrical sense.
 
Look up Newton's Shell Theorems.
 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shell_theorem

But there is a simpler way to show this directly form the superposition principle: You can treat the cavity as a sphere having negative gravity superimposed with a bigger massive uniform sphere. Trivially for all points inside the cavity the two effects cancel.
 
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Hi.

Tell us if You need help with integrals. While studying Shell Theorem, that is.

Cheers.
 
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A.T. said:
But there is a simpler way to show this directly form the superposition principle: You can treat the cavity as a sphere having negative gravity superimposed with a bigger massive uniform sphere. Trivially for all points inside the cavity the two effects cancel.
I don't get your reasoning here. Certainly the negative mass sphere cancels that portion of the massive sphere which it overlaps. But that still leaves you with the shell to account for.
 
Hi.

Yes, I do understand what You had in mind when suggesting the use of superposition principle: Both big ball and smaller ball act as if all the mass was concentrated at the center. However, for this argument to work, one should already know that outer shell has no influence... Nice train of thought, though.

Cheers.
 
Yes, you are both right. I remembered a simple proof that the G-field must be uniform in the more general case, inside a spherical cavity which is not concentric with the massive sphere. Given the symmetry of the special concentric case the zero field is the only one that fits this.

However, that simple poof at some point assumes a linearly growing field inside a uniform massive sphere, which is basically the shell theorem, and still requires integration in the proof.
 

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