Newton's Shell theorem- Gravity inside spherical shell

Click For Summary

Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around Newton's Shell Theorem, specifically regarding the gravitational effects of a spherical shell of uniform density on point masses located inside and outside the shell. Participants explore the historical context of Newton's work and the implications of the theorem without delving into the mathematical proofs.

Discussion Character

  • Historical
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant references a textbook claim that the gravitational force on a point mass outside a spherical shell is equivalent to that of the entire mass concentrated at the center, while the force inside the shell is zero.
  • Another participant mentions that the calculation involved in proving the theorem is a two-dimensional integration, suggesting that it is not particularly difficult once calculus is understood.
  • A participant expresses interest in the historical significance of Newton's work and whether proving the shell theorem was a major motivation behind the invention of calculus.
  • One participant questions the historical timeline, suggesting that the invention of calculus likely took longer than proving the shell theorem, and emphasizes the necessity of the law of gravity in this context.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the historical significance of the shell theorem and the time it took Newton to develop calculus versus proving the theorem itself. There is no consensus on the exact historical context or the motivations behind Newton's work.

Contextual Notes

Participants acknowledge the complexities involved in the historical context of Newton's work and the development of calculus, but do not resolve the uncertainties regarding the timeline and significance of the shell theorem.

Ahsan Khan
Messages
270
Reaction score
5
Hello all,

Guys in my textbook they state that on a point mass at point outside spherical shell of uniform density, the gravitational force is just as if the entire mass of the shell is concentrated at the Centre of shell.

The text also states, the force of attraction due to a hollow spherical shell of uniform density on a point mass situated inside it, is zero.

The text also tries to make us believe it by saying some qualitative arguments and end its message by saying, this works out be as stated.

I searched the Internet get some proofs. And I also come across what is called as shell theorem. The shell theorem as given by Newton seems to be the real thing. In shell theorem Newton actually proof what the text claims.

I am here not to know the maths of shell theorem nor for the easiest version of shell theorem or anything that contains the proof of book's claim. What I want, is to know, would I be correct, if I tell those of my students who know calculus but yet are not very comfortable with a bit harder calculus and who questioned me how can I state this things(appearing too simple) to tell them without proof; the below statement-

"Dear students your are asking me why I state it without proof but let me tell you one of the reasons why Sir Issac Newton invented Calculus is to prove this very thing and it took him 20 years. "

Thanks a bunch.
 
Physics news on Phys.org
The calculation is a two dimensional integration. Once calculus was invented, the theorem wasn't that hard.
 
mathman said:
The calculation is a two dimensional integration. Once calculus was invented, the theorem wasn't that hard.

Thanks mathsman, I actually want to know in historical the historical context that how big this was a deal for Newton to prove the two statements in my first post as taken from the textbook.

I am not after how easy or difficult the prove NOW! I want to know if this is ONE OF THE THINGS that has something to do with the intention of Claculas by Newton.

I heard from my favorite Walter lewin that it took Newton 20 years to prove this(what the book claims).

Regards
 
I am not a historian, so I don't know the details of the history of Newton's work. Just on the basis of the difficulties involved, I suspect inventing calculus took a lot more time than proving this theorem. He also needed to have the basic law of gravity. F=G\frac{m_1m_2}{r^2}.
 

Similar threads

  • · Replies 34 ·
2
Replies
34
Views
2K
  • · Replies 1 ·
Replies
1
Views
2K
Replies
5
Views
1K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
  • · Replies 2 ·
Replies
2
Views
2K
Replies
4
Views
2K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
1K
  • · Replies 4 ·
Replies
4
Views
4K
  • · Replies 3 ·
Replies
3
Views
2K
  • · Replies 14 ·
Replies
14
Views
3K