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The discussion revolves around a physics problem involving projectile motion, specifically a stone thrown horizontally from a cliff and a dart thrown horizontally towards a dartboard. Participants are exploring how to calculate the time of flight and the horizontal distance traveled.

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  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning, Problem interpretation

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  • Participants discuss using the GUESS method to organize their approach, with some attempting to isolate vertical motion to calculate time. Others suggest treating the stone as if it were dropped to simplify the problem. Questions arise about how to derive time from the vertical motion equations and the independence of x and y motions.

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There is ongoing exploration of different methods to find the time of flight, with some participants expressing uncertainty about the GUESS method. Guidance has been offered regarding the independence of motions and the use of specific equations, but no consensus has been reached on a single approach.

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Some participants express confusion about the GUESS method and its application, while others reference different methods like ViVfdat, indicating a variety of approaches being considered. The problems involve specific parameters such as initial velocities and heights, which are critical to the calculations being discussed.

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How would you get time for this:

5. A stone is thrown horizontally at 8.0 m/s from a cliff 78.4 m high. How far from the base of the cliff does the stone strike the ground? (Use GUESS Method)

G: vi = 8.0 m/s
g = 9.8 m/s2
dy = 78.4 m
U: dx
E: d = vi*t +1/2 a*t^2
S: dx = 32 m


vi =initial velocity
^2= squared
*= times
 
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The motion in the y-direction and in the x-direction are independent, right?

So first you'll want to use equation "E" to calculate the time is takes the rock to fall the 78.4m. Then, use the time you found in a similar equation, but for the x distance (of course is no acceleration term in equation "E")
 
I don't know what the GUESS method is, but the first thing I would do is ignore that any type of horizontal motion exists. I would imagine the stone simply being dropped off the cliff. With the knowledge of the height of the cliff and the fact that it is dropped (vi = 0) you can calculate the amount of time that the stone is in the air. Now I remind myself of this horizontal velocity that the rock was given. To calculate the horizontal distance I just use d = vi*t +1/2 a*t^2. There is no acceleration in the x direction so it is simply D = ViT. You know the initial velocity and you calculated the time.
 
...But how would i get the time, i don't know how to get it?
 
feod2003 said:
How would you get time for this:

5. A stone is thrown horizontally at 8.0 m/s from a cliff 78.4 m high. How far from the base of the cliff does the stone strike the ground? (Use GUESS Method)

G: vi = 8.0 m/s
g = 9.8 m/s2
dy = 78.4 m
U: dx
E: d = vi*t +1/2 a*t^2
S: dx = 32 m


vi =initial velocity
^2= squared
*= times
I don't know what the GUESS method is. However, you should note that v_i is 8m/s in the x direction. V_xi =8. There is no initial component of v in the y direction. V_yi = 0. In the x direction, there is no acceleration, so v_x stays constant throughout the trip, therfore, x =v_x(t), this is the horizontal distance traveled. To solve for t, use your the "E" equation in the y direction, where d =78.4 , v_i = 0, and a =9.8. Then solve for x, I guess.
 
PhanthomJay said:
I don't know what the GUESS method is. However, you should note that v_i is 8m/s in the x direction. V_xi =8. There is no initial component of v in the y direction. V_yi = 0. In the x direction, there is no acceleration, so v_x stays constant throughout the trip, therfore, x =v_x(t), this is the horizontal distance traveled. To solve for t, use your the "E" equation in the y direction, where d =78.4 , v_i = 0, and a =9.8. Then solve for x, I guess.

wow thanks that helped a bit, thanks guys
 
I got another one.

7.A dart player, standing 3.2 m away from the dartboard, throws a dart horizontally at a speed of 12.4 m/s. How far from the bull’s eye (where the player aimed) did the dart strike? (Use GUESS Method)

G: g = 9.8 m/s2
dx = 3.2 m
vi = 12.4 m/s
U: dy
E: d = vit +1/2at2
S: dy = 0.32 m (give a direction)
 
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7.A dart player, standing 3.2 m away from the dartboard, throws a dart horizontally at a speed of 12.4 m/s. How far from the bull’s eye (where the player aimed) did the dart strike? (Use GUESS Method)
 
I think people on these boards are more familiar with the ViVfdat method (same sort of thing...)

again same sort of concept as ur last problem...no initial y velocity...no x acceleration...then just set up a system with the values...knowing that acceleration in y direction is g and then solve...its similar to the last one u did if you got it...just having a different unknown this time...meanign a different equation...

Vix 12.4
Vfx 12.4
Dx 3.2
ax 0
t = t

Viy = 0
Vfy = ?
dy = x
ax = -g
t = t

whats the only common variable between the two sets?
 
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Mehta29 said:
I think people on these boards are more familiar with the ViVfdat method (same sort of thing...)

again same sort of concept as ur last problem...no initial y velocity...no x acceleration...then just set up a system with the values...knowing that acceleration in y direction is g and then solve...its similar to the last one u did if you got it...just having a different unknown this time...meanign a different equation...

Vix 12.4
Vfx 12.4
Dx 3.2
ax 0
t = t

Viy = 0
Vfy = ?
dy = x
ax = -g
t = t

whats the only common variable between the two sets?

umm... is that guna be t?
 

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