I need the name of this equation for my IA?

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The discussion revolves around identifying a specific equation related to the dynamics of an object moving through a fluid, particularly in the context of a mathematical model for a swimming race dive. Participants explore the components of the equation and its applicability to modeling displacement underwater.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents an equation involving mass, fluid densities, gravity, drag coefficient, and displacement, seeking its name and derivation method.
  • Another participant provides hints about the terms in the equation, indicating that it relates to net forces acting on an object in a fluid, including buoyancy and drag.
  • A later reply expresses understanding of the equation but questions its applicability for deriving a height function for a fully submerged object through integration.
  • Further discussion highlights that the equation indicates varying forces with displacement, suggesting that acceleration is not constant, contrasting with simpler kinematic equations.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the name of the equation or its derivation. There is uncertainty regarding the applicability of the equation for finding a displacement function underwater, and differing views on the implications of variable forces on acceleration are presented.

Contextual Notes

The discussion includes assumptions about the effects of gravity and fluid dynamics, and the complexity of integrating the equation to find displacement is acknowledged. Limitations regarding the application of simpler kinematic equations are also noted.

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Hi guys, I found this equation on 2 other forums, and I'm writing a Math IA with Physics formulas integrated into it. I would really appreciate it if you could give me the name of this formula, or a method to derive it (I don't have a strong physics background) so that I could cite it in my paper or refer to it. m(d2x/dt2) = (rhoB-rhoA)(g*V) - 0.5(Cd)(rhoA)(A)(dx/dt)^2

Where m = body's mass, rhoA = fluid's density, rhoB = body's density, g = gravity (may be assumed to vary with height -> which is where the "effects of gravity" come in), x = displacement, t = time, Cd = drag coefficient, V = body volume, A = body area.

^I found this equation on this forum: https://www.physicsforums.com/threads/gravity-in-water.6463/

*Some extra information* : For my Paper, I am trying to represent a mathematical model for a swimming race dive for both above and in the water. For above the water, I am using a simple height formula "h(t)=1/2at^2+vt+h". But as there are many other factors such as drag and buoyancy underwater, I need to find a coherent formula with the same variable of time for height underwater.

Any help would be really appreciated! :)
 
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jkurz17 said:
m(d2x/dt2) = (rhoB-rhoA)(g*V) - 0.5(Cd)(rhoA)(A)(dx/dt)^2

Do you know what the terms in the equation mean?
Hints:
m(d2x/dt2) is the net ___________ acting on the object.

(rhoB-rhoA)(g*V) is the net force acting on the object in a fluid.
Which comprises the ________of the object due to gravity, and the ___________ force acting due to the object being immersed in a fluid.

- 0.5(Cd)(rhoA)(A)(dx/dt)^2 is the ____________ ____________ of an object traveling through a fluid.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mass.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_equation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity
 
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256bits said:
Do you know what the terms in the equation mean?
Hints:
m(d2x/dt2) is the net ___________ acting on the object.

(rhoB-rhoA)(g*V) is the net force acting on the object in a fluid.
Which comprises the ________of the object due to gravity, and the ___________ force acting due to the object being immersed in a fluid.

- 0.5(Cd)(rhoA)(A)(dx/dt)^2 is the ____________ ____________ of an object traveling through a fluid.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu/hbase/mass.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buoyancy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drag_equation
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terminal_velocity

I think I understand what the equation stands for now! Thank you!

But just to be safe, is this still applicable to finding a height (displacement) function for a fully submerged object if I were to integrate it to find x?
 
jkurz17 said:
I think I understand what the equation stands for now! Thank you!

But just to be safe, is this still applicable to finding a height (displacement) function for a fully submerged object if I were to integrate it to find x?
Well I don't have my math hat on right now, but if you are capable of doing the steps, go for it.
But the equation shows that for each dx the object moves, the force on the object changes, which will change the acceleration and thus the change in velocity will not be the same for each step. The suvat equations assume a constant acceleration.
You have a dx2/dt2, a dx/dt and a ( dx/dt ) ^2 in the equation.

I will have to step out for a bit.
 
256bits said:
Well I don't have my math hat on right now, but if you are capable of doing the steps, go for it.
But the equation shows that for each dx the object moves, the force on the object changes, which will change the acceleration and thus the change in velocity will not be the same for each step. The suvat equations assume a constant acceleration.
You have a dx2/dt2, a dx/dt and a ( dx/dt ) ^2 in the equation.

I will have to step out for a bit.

In any case you really helped me out, so thank you!
 

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