I started PhD abroad, but would like to get a job

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges faced by a participant who has started a PhD in Belgium but is uncertain about committing to it due to a desire for immediate employment. The conversation touches on issues related to job market entry, work permits, and the transition from academia to industry, particularly in the fields of photonics and electrical engineering.

Discussion Character

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Main Points Raised

  • The participant expresses uncertainty about their commitment to a 4-year PhD program and questions their decision to resign from their job without being sure of their academic path.
  • Some participants challenge the decision-making process of the individual, questioning the timing and clarity of their career goals before starting the PhD.
  • There is a request for guidance on how to transition into the job market, with a focus on increasing visibility and presenting skills effectively.
  • Concerns are raised about the work permit situation for non-EU citizens in Belgium, highlighting the importance of understanding local employment laws and regulations.
  • Some participants note that language barriers and cultural differences may impact job prospects, although others suggest that English may be sufficient in cosmopolitan areas like Brussels.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that the individual faces significant challenges regarding employment and work permits in Belgium. However, there is disagreement about the appropriateness of the participant's decision-making process and the clarity of their career intentions.

Contextual Notes

The discussion reflects various assumptions about job market conditions, the implications of changing countries, and the specific requirements for employment as a non-EU citizen in Belgium. There are unresolved questions regarding the participant's qualifications and how they can effectively navigate the job market.

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Greetings,

I recently started a PhD in Belgium after resigning from my current job (IT branch) in my home country, Turkey. It was a global company and I had been working there for around 8 months when I resigned. I realized that what I want is a solid job as soon as possible and now I am in the trial period for my PhD. My PhD is on photonics/optics and apart from the short time I worked at the IT firm back in my country I do not have much job experience.

I am unsure if I can commit to PhD for 4 years and returning to my country is not a nice solution either due to mandatory military service and bad job market. I see that I do not have much motivation to pursue a PhD. I can fill you in with more details about my skillset/background if you inquire. I think there should be starter jobs for people holding an Electrical and Electronics Engineering Master's degree (my bachelor's degree is in physics). I am a fast learner, know a good deal of coding (Python, C/C++, Matlab) and skilled around laboratory.

The thing is I do not know the local language of most of the European countries and there is the work permit issue before I can get a job. I would really appreciate it if you could provide some guidance.
 
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Septim said:
Greetings,

I recently started a PhD in Belgium after resigning from my current job (IT branch) in my home country, Turkey. It was a global company and I had been working there for around 8 months when I resigned. I realized that what I want is a solid job as soon as possible and now I am in the trial period for my PhD. My PhD is on photonics/optics and apart from the short time I worked at the IT firm back in my country I do not have much job experience.

I am unsure if I can commit to PhD for 4 years

Shouldn't this be something you have been sure of and made a definitive decision BEFORE you quit your job and started your PhD program? This is such a major decision to make while you are still unsure!

...and returning to my country is not a nice solution either due to mandatory military service and bad job market. I see that I do not have much motivation to pursue a PhD. I can fill you in with more details about my skillset/background if you inquire. I think there should be starter jobs for people holding an Electrical and Electronics Engineering Master's degree (my bachelor's degree is in physics). I am a fast learner, know a good deal of coding (Python, C/C++, Matlab) and skilled around laboratory.

The thing is I do not know the local language of most of the European countries and there is the work permit issue before I can get a job. I would really appreciate it if you could provide some guidance.

What exactly are you asking for? Guidance to do what, especially since you yourself haven't decided for sure on what you want to do? If a stranger on an internet forum tells you to stay in school and finish your PhD, will you do it?

Zz.
 
ZapperZ said:
Shouldn't this be something you have been sure of and made a definitive decision BEFORE you quit your job and started your PhD program? This is such a major decision to make while you are still unsure!
What exactly are you asking for? Guidance to do what, especially since you yourself haven't decided for sure on what you want to do? If a stranger on an internet forum tells you to stay in school and finish your PhD, will you do it?

Zz.

Okay you have valid points, but no need to be that hard on me. Changing country is a big deal and some people do not find what they expect. Guidance might have been wrong to use in that context; what I meant was how to transition into the job market. Some people can provide good suggestions in increasing my presence in the job market and know how/where to present my skills other than Linkedin etc. by experience.
 
Septim said:
Okay you have valid points, but no need to be that hard on me. Changing country is a big deal and some people do not find what they expect. Guidance might have been wrong to use in that context; what I meant was how to transition into the job market. Some people can provide good suggestions in increasing my presence in the job market and know how/where to present my skills other than Linkedin etc. by experience.

But this doesn't actually help.

So let's be VERY clear first of all. You have DECIDED to quit school, and look for a job there in Belgium! Am I correct?

If this is correct, then the issue of work permit is the first and foremost problem, because there is no point in any of us telling you how to make yourself more employable there IF there is no chance for you to be able to work there in the first place!

What you need is someone who knows how someone like you, with your nationality/citizenship, can get employed in Belgium. You need to find out what the local laws and regulations are about such situation. Since Turkey isn't part of EU, your ability to work there, or in any EU nation, is severely hampered.

I'd say that the issue of not know the customs, language, etc. might be a significant problem as well, but Belgium, and Brussels from what I gathered, is very cosmopolitan and international. I would think that English is sufficient to get by, but someone who knows more about the region can talk about this better than I can.

Zz.
 
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