Ideal fluid flow velocities & pressure

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The discussion revolves around fluid dynamics, specifically the flow of air as an ideal fluid through a tube. Participants are attempting to determine the air speed at a specific point using principles such as the continuity equation and Bernoulli's equation, while also considering pressure changes indicated by a mercury manometer.

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  • Participants discuss calculating pressure changes and their implications for velocity differences. There are attempts to apply the continuity equation and Bernoulli's equation, with some participants expressing confusion over unit conversions and the manipulation of equations.

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Some participants have made progress in their calculations and have shared their results, while others are seeking clarification on how to proceed from their current points of confusion. Guidance has been offered regarding the relationship between velocities and the use of the continuity equation, but no consensus has been reached on the next steps.

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Participants are working under the constraints of homework rules, which require them to show their calculations. There is an emphasis on understanding the relationships between pressure, velocity, and area in the context of fluid flow.

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1. Air at 0∘C flows through the tube shown in the figure. Assume that air is an ideal fluid. What is the air speed v1 at point 1?2. Formulas: A1V1=A2V2, ΔP + 1/2ρΔV2, ρgΔh3. My first through process was to calculate the change in pressure in the mercury as the change in pressure in the mercury would correspond to the change in pressure from points 1 to 2. So i did this using ΔP+ ρgh=0 and calculated the Δp= 13,328 Pascals or .1315 atms. Then this is where i got stuck. I am not sure what to do now that I have the change in pressure. I thought my next step would be:

ΔP+ 1/2ρΔV2------> ΔP= -1/2ρΔV2----> 13,328=-1/2ρΔV2
to calculate the change in velocity from points 1 to 2 but I got caught up in units and the calculations ended up being messy so I don't think I am on the right track. I know I have the areas and I am sure those will come into the equation when I find one of the velocities but I am kind of stuck at this point
 

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cheddar87 said:
1. Air at 0∘C flows through the tube shown in the figure. Assume that air is an ideal fluid. What is the air speed v1 at point 1?2. Formulas: A1V1=A2V2, ΔP + 1/2ρΔV2, ρgΔh3. My first through process was to calculate the change in pressure in the mercury as the change in pressure in the mercury would correspond to the change in pressure from points 1 to 2. So i did this using ΔP+ ρgh=0 and calculated the Δp= 13,328 Pascals or .1315 atms. Then this is where i got stuck. I am not sure what to do now that I have the change in pressure. I thought my next step would be:

ΔP+ 1/2ρΔV2------> ΔP= -1/2ρΔV2----> 13,328=-1/2ρΔV2
to calculate the change in velocity from points 1 to 2 but I got caught up in units and the calculations ended up being messy so I don't think I am on the right track. I know I have the areas and I am sure those will come into the equation when I find one of the velocities but I am kind of stuck at this point
We can't help unless you show all your calculations.

What units did you get caught up in? Did you try to convert to the same units?
 
I figured out the next calculation, here's what i have so far

Δp+ ρgh=0---> Δp= -ρgh----> Δp= - {13,600 kg/m3* 9.8m/s2 * -.1m)----> Δp= 13,328 pascals
and
ΔP= -1/2ρΔV2---> 2ΔP/ρ= -ΔV2----> 2 * 13,328kg/ms2/1.28kg/m3= -ΔV2-----> 26656kg/ms2/1.28kg/m3=-ΔV2-------> 20825m2/s2= -ΔV2

this is where I am stuck. I have the change in velocity but I am not quite sure how to get Velocity 1.
 
omg can someone pleaaaaaaaaaaaase help me. 4 hours later and I still can't finish the problem
 
cheddar87 said:
omg can someone pleaaaaaaaaaaaase help me. 4 hours later and I still can't finish the problem
If you write the correct Bernoulli equation for this apparatus, you should get:

p1 + ρV21 = p2 + ρV22

You'll need to calculate (or look up) the density of air at 0° C to obtain ρ.

You have already determined what p2 - p1 should be from the mercury manometer.

The continuity equation can tell you what the ratio of V1 to V2 must be.
 
I already did all of that^^ and I have what the change in velocity is. And that's where I am stuck. I don't know how to turn the velocity difference of 144 m/s into V1
 
and I don't see how to manipulate A1V1=A2V2 to fit into this whole equation
 
cheddar87 said:
and I don't see how to manipulate A1V1=A2V2 to fit into this whole equation
You don't have to fit the continuity equation into the Bernoulli equation.

SteamKing said:
The continuity equation can tell you what the ratio of V1 to V2 must be.

If you know the ratio of V1 to V2, you can eliminate one of the velocities from the Bernoulli equation and calculate the other. Since the problem asks what V1 is, V2 is the quantity you want to eliminate.
 

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