Ideal Rings - Abstract Algebra

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The problem involves showing that the sum and union of two ideals in a ring are also ideals. The subject area is abstract algebra, specifically focusing on the properties of ideals within rings.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the definitions and properties of ideals, with one participant attempting to demonstrate the closure properties of the sum and union of ideals. Questions arise regarding the necessary conditions for these operations to yield ideals.

Discussion Status

The discussion is ongoing, with one participant providing a partial attempt at the problem. Additional guidance has been suggested regarding the need to show closure under multiplication and subtraction for the proposed ideals.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the original problem does not specify certain conditions, such as closure under multiplication and subtraction, which are essential for proving the properties of ideals.

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Homework Statement



Suppose R is a ring and I,J is an ideal to R.

Show (i) I+J is ideal to R. (ii) I union J is ideal to R.

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Can you show that you've attempted it?
 
Here is what I have (I think I have (ii)):

(i)
Part 1: Clearly if a,b are elements of I, then a+b are elements of I (since I is ideal to R) and if a,b are elements of J then a + b are elements of J (since J is ideal to R)

If we have one element from each ideal, say a element of I/b element of J, then we must show a+b is an element of (I+J).

a+b is an element of R since a,b is an element of R and R is closed.

Part 2: Let a be an element of (I + J) and r is an element of R.

Then if a is an element of I, ar is an element of I and ra is an element of I since I is ideal.

Similarly, if a is an element of J, ar is an element of J and ra is an element of J since I is ideal.

In either case, ar is an element of (I + J) and ra is an element of (I + J)

(ii)
Part 1: Assume a, b are elements in I union J.

Then a + b is an element of I since I is ideal and a + b is an element of J since J is ideal.

Then a + b is in both I and J and therefore a + b is an element of I union J.

Part 2: Assume a is and element of (I union J) and r is an element of R.

Then, ar is an element of I and ra is and element of I since I is ideal.

Similarly, ar is an element of J and ra is an element of J since J is ideal.

So, ar is an element of (I union J) and ra is an element of (I union J)
 
you'll also need to show that I+J and I\cup J are closed under multiplication and subtraction (in fact addition follows from subtraction).

For (i) part 1, it might help to recall that since (I,+,\cdot) is an ideal of (R,+,\cdot), (I,+) is a normal subgroup of (R,+) (since (R,+) is abelian). Simlarly for J.
 

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