Identifying limit of puck height

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The discussion centers on the physics of a hockey puck's trajectory, specifically analyzing why a puck shot at 100 mph from 30 feet cannot reach the crossbar, peaking at a height of 46.64 inches with an initial angle of 24 degrees. The calculations utilize formulas from a hockey physics book, particularly Formula 3.3 for puck drop without air resistance and Formula 3.7 for drag and lift effects. The results indicate that variations in angle significantly affect puck height, with the lift coefficient peaking near 25 degrees. The analysis concludes that real-life conditions may differ from theoretical models, impacting puck performance.

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This homework isn't for a course. There is a book on hockey physics with a section discussing puck drop below intended target. When I use the book's formula modified for drag and lift, it seems to show that a 100 mph shot, taken from 30 feet from the net, can not hit the crossbar. The puck height reaches a maximum height of 46.63652463 inches with an initial puck angle of 24 degrees. Changing to 23 and 25 degrees reduce the final puck height. I guess this result is either because of the lift coefficient peaking near 25 degrees as mentioned on page 78 or because on the bottom of page 77 it is mentioned that formula 3.7 which includes a simple fit to data is only valid to within 20 percent.

I'm wondering why the puck won't rise above 48 inches.

I think I’ve seen high school kids, whom I doubt can shoot 100 mph, hit the crossbar from 30 feet away.

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Here is my work, in case I’ve made some mistakes.Formula 3.3 to determine puck drop below target without air resistance:gx2

________________2v2 cos2θg = 9.80665 m/s2x = 30’ = 9.144 metersv = 100 mph = 44.704 m/sθ = 24 degrees = 0.4188790205 radians
Formula 3.3 with drag:Formula 3.5 = velocity dropVelocity drop = -6.3 * (1/10/10/10) * 44.704 * 9.144 = -2.575272269Velocity at end = 44.704 + -2.575272269 = 42.12872773Average velocity = (44.704 + 42.12872773) / 2 = 43.41636387Formula 3.3 using average velocity:(9.80665 * (9.144 * 9.144)) / (2 * (43.41636387 * 43.41636387) * (cos(0.4188790205) * cos(0.4188790205))) = 0.2606128904 meters puck drop from target0.2606128904 meters = 10.16390273 inchesPuck height would be 48 - 10 = 38 inchesFormula 3.3 with drag and lift:Formula 3.7 (This is the simple fit to data):(4 * (1/10/10/10/10/10) * 24 degrees -7.8 * (1/10/10/10/10/10/10/10) * 24 degrees * 24 degrees = 0.00051072Formula 3.6 lift:0.00051072 from formula 3.7 * 44.704 initial velocity * 44.704 initial velocity = 1.020647166 liftNew gravity = gravity minus (lift / mass) (from bottom paragraph of page 79):Puck Mass: Page 85 shows puck mass as 170 grams. However, to get the calculations in the bottom paragraph of page 79 to end up at 32 inches I used 0.138 for puck mass. Using .170097 for puck mass gave me an answer of 33.5 inches.9.80665 gravity - (1.020647166 lift / 0.138 mass) = 2.40465604348 revised gravityFormula 3.3 with drag and lift:(2.40465604348 gravity revised for lift * (9.144 distance in meters * 9.144 distance in meters)) / ( 2 * (43.41636387 avg velocity * 43.41636387 average velocity) * (COS(0.4188790205 puck angle in radians) * COS(0.4188790205 puck angle in radians))) = 0.06 meters puck drop.06 meters puck drop = 2.498475371 inches puck drop below target[/B]
 
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Youd have to compare the conditions irl with the model the textbook uses.
 

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