Identifying Non-Differentiable Points Without Graphing

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The discussion revolves around identifying points of non-differentiability in functions without the aid of graphing. The subject area includes concepts of differentiability, particularly focusing on conditions that lead to non-differentiable points such as cusps, jumps, and vertical tangents.

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Conceptual clarification

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  • Participants explore the characteristics of functions that indicate non-differentiability, such as corners and discontinuities. Questions arise about deeper reasons for non-differentiability, particularly regarding the existence of slopes at specific points.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants sharing observations about specific functions like the absolute value function and questioning the implications of their characteristics on differentiability. Some guidance is offered regarding the use of graphs, though there is no consensus on a definitive method for identifying non-differentiable points without graphing.

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Participants note that certain functions may require graphing to ascertain differentiability, while others suggest that specific rules of differentiation could provide insights without visual aids. There is an acknowledgment of limitations in determining differentiability solely through inspection.

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Homework Statement


Differentiability-

Okay, so I understand that a function is not differentiable if there are either:
A. A cusp
B.A jump
C. f(x) DNE
D. Vertical tangent
E. Pretty much if there isn't a limit there is no derivative which means its not differentiable.

How would one find the points not differentiable if one didn't graph the function?

Thanks!

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First take a look at the graph of abs(x) you will notice that there is a corner and this because the absolute value function is really a piecewise function where abs(x) = x if x>0 and -x if x<0. This tells you that the function is not smooth: there the slope change abruptly when crossing the y axis.
 
Yeah I noticed that there is a corner, but is there a more in depth reason, maybe because the slope at 0 doesn't exist? Something of that sort...?
 
lpbug said:
Yeah I noticed that there is a corner, but is there a more in depth reason, maybe because the slope at 0 doesn't exist? Something of that sort...?

Try drawing a tangent line to the graph of |x| at x = 0. You'll see why it's not differentiable.
 
lpbug said:
Yeah I noticed that there is a corner, but is there a more in depth reason, maybe because the slope at 0 doesn't exist? Something of that sort...?

If you can, graph the derivative. You'll notice a noticeable jump discontinuity at x=0.
 
Always graph the function if in doubt.

Any break in the line may or may not be non differentiable but I'm pretty sure you will be unable to tell if [itex]\frac{d}{dx} x^2+y^2[/itex] is differentiable by looking at the equation. Well unless by inspection but you get the point.

The only time you would not graph something is if you already knew it was non convergent or where you know that certain rules of differentiation rule out the likelihood of linearity.
 

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