If a=b then integral(a) = integral(b) .... 1/2lnx =/= 1/2ln(2x) ?

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The discussion revolves around the relationship between integrals of two expressions, a and b, which are claimed to be equal. Participants explore the implications of integration techniques and constants of integration, questioning whether the integrals yield the same result despite the equality of the original expressions.

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  • One participant asserts that if a = b, then the integrals of a and b should also be equal, but finds a discrepancy in the results of their integration.
  • Another participant suggests that the difference arises from the constants of integration not being equal, implying that the integration techniques used may lead to different constants.
  • There is a discussion about the change in boundaries during integration, with some participants arguing that this affects the equality of the integrals.
  • One participant acknowledges that evaluating definite integrals from specific limits yields equal results, indicating that their confusion may stem from a different equation.

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Participants express disagreement regarding the equality of the integrals, with some asserting that the constants of integration account for the differences, while others question the validity of the integration techniques used.

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Participants mention the importance of boundaries in integration and how they can affect the results, but the specific assumptions or definitions leading to the disagreement remain unresolved.

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Am I missing something?

if a = b then

Integral a = Integral b

a = dx/2x and b = dx/2x

a = (1/2) (dx/x) =
b = [dx/(2x)]

So far so good...Integral of a .. let U = x, du = dx

Integral of a = (1/2) ln|x| + C

Integral of b... let U = 2x, du = 2 dx (multiple by (1/2) to balance out numerator only being 1)
(1/2) Integral (du/u)

Integral of b = (1/2) ln|2x| + C

But wait... (1/2) ln|x| =/= (1/2) ln|2x|

So did I mess something up or is integral (a) not always = to integral (b) given a = b.
 
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You scammed by hiding the difference in the constant. Your C's aren't equal.
 
Wanted said:
du = 2
du = 2 dx
 
fresh_42 said:
You scammed by hiding the difference in the constant. Your C's aren't equal.

Help me understand why they aren't equal. Surely there isn't a difference between using one integration technique over the other?
tony873004 said:
du = 2 dx

Yes.. updated... but unfortunately that does not change or resolve the issue here or explain any confusion.
 
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Wanted said:
Help me understand why they aren't equal. Surely there isn't a difference between using one integration technique over the other?
Sure there is. The boundaries change. If you ignore them by hiding them in the C you could add any constant value, e.g. ##-\frac{1}{2}ln2##.
 
fresh_42 said:
Sure there is. The boundaries change. If you ignore them by hiding them in the C you could add any constant value, e.g. ##-\frac{1}{2}ln2##.
Yea that's right. I just evaluated the definite integral from 1 to 2 and they were equal then. I suppose my real confusion is coming from some where else in my (parent) equation (not this one) I'll have to get back to you in a bit.
 

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