If BC = 0 where B is invertible, show C = 0

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The discussion revolves around a linear algebra problem concerning matrices, specifically the implications of the product of matrices being zero when one of the matrices is invertible. The original poster questions the validity of their reasoning regarding the conclusion that if BC = 0 and B is invertible, then C must equal zero.

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  • Participants explore the conditions under which the product of matrices can be zero, questioning the original poster's reasoning and seeking examples to illustrate potential counterexamples.

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The discussion has revealed differing interpretations of the properties of matrices, particularly in relation to invertibility and the implications of a zero product. Some participants have provided examples that challenge the original assertion, while others have acknowledged misunderstandings in the original reasoning.

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Participants note that the properties of matrices differ from those of integral domains, which may lead to confusion regarding the conclusions that can be drawn from the product of matrices being zero.

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Isn’t it true that if B is invertible then B DNE 0, and if B DNE 0 then the only way to have BC = 0 is to have C = 0?

I'm not seeing (perhaps because I don't want to ;)) how the above is not always true. Can anyone show me an example proving me wrong?

Thanks!
 
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If B is invertible, then B-1 exists.

If you are given that BC = 0, multiply on the left of both sides by B-1. What do you get?
 
Yes, that I understand (and wish I would've put down on the final!), but what I don't understand is why my initial statement is untrue. That is, why is that not a valid proof that C = 0?
 
haha, I've seen thru the cloud of trying to convince myself I was correct. My error is now obvious!
 
Because you didn't use the given information that B is invertible.
For example, consider these matrices B and C.
[tex]B~=~\left[\begin{array}{c c}<br /> 0&1\\<br /> 0&0<br /> \end{array}\right][/tex]

[tex]C~=~\left[\begin{array}{c c}<br /> 0&2\\<br /> 0&0<br /> \end{array}\right][/tex]

For these matrices BC = 0, yet neither B nor C is the zero matrix.
 
Rings of matrices are not in general integral domains (even if the elements are drawn from a field), as Mark44 illustrated with an example. Thus, if you know that BC = 0 and B != 0, you can't conclude that C must be 0 as you would in an integral domain.

This is fairly common, so you should try to keep it in mind. It pops up in a lot of places; matrices are just one example. For instance, the ring of integers modulo 6 is not an integral domain since 2 and 3 are both nonzero but their product is 0 modulo 6. One can also find positive powers of nonzero elements that are zero. Once again using modular arithmetic for an example, the square of two is congruent to 0 modulo 4.
 

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