If R^2= L/C, show the total power is independent of frequency

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The discussion revolves around a circuit analysis problem involving AC voltage, specifically focusing on a circuit with two parallel branches: one containing a resistor and an inductor, and the other containing a resistor and a capacitor. Participants are tasked with proving that the total power in the circuit is independent of frequency under the condition that R² = L/C.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant suggests that if w² = 1/LC, then the power in each branch is equal due to equal currents and voltages in a parallel circuit.
  • Another participant challenges the assertion that R² = XL/XC, indicating that a correct relation among R, XL, and XC must be derived from R² = L/C.
  • There is a discussion about the implications of R² being independent of frequency, with attempts to relate it to the equivalent impedance of the circuit.
  • Some participants express confusion about the complex form of impedance and its relevance to the problem, particularly in calculating the equivalent impedance of the circuit.
  • One participant attempts to derive relationships involving frequency but struggles to find clarity on how R² relates to the impedances of the inductor and capacitor.
  • Another participant introduces the concept of trigonometric relations between voltage and current for inductors and capacitors, suggesting a method to show that the sum of the squares of the branch currents is independent of frequency.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the correct relationship among R, XL, and XC, and there is ongoing debate regarding the implications of R² = L/C. The discussion remains unresolved with multiple competing views and approaches presented.

Contextual Notes

Participants express uncertainty about the correct derivations and relationships needed to prove the independence of power from frequency. There are limitations in understanding the complex impedance and its application in this context.

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Homework Statement


You have a circuit supplied with AC voltage, it has 2 parallel branches, 1 with R and L, the other with R and C.

a) If (frequency) w^2 = 1/LC, prove that the power in each branch is equal.
b) If R^2 = L/C, show that the power is the circuit is independent of frequency.

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The Attempt at a Solution


I am pretty sure I got a) wL=1/wC, so XL=XC, then I know currents are equal in each branch, and it's a parallel circuit so voltage is equal, therefore power is equal.

But, I don't even know where to begin for b). I can see that R^2 = w/w * L * 1/C (and that is independent of w) but I really think there is more to it than that, some type of proof that R^2 = XL/XC??

Please help!
 
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justtryingtopass said:
type of proof that R^2 = XL/XC??
R2 is not XL/Xc. Find the correct relation among R, XL and Xc from R2=L/C. Find the equivalent impedance of the circuit and use the obtained relation in it.
 
cnh1995 said:
R2 is not XL/Xc. Find the correct relation among R, XL and Xc from R2=L/C. Find the equivalent impedance of the circuit and use the obtained relation in it.
Ok, so I initially tried to work the result backwards. R^2 = L/C is the same as R^2 = L*1/C, this formula is independent of frequency, so I added frequency back in.
w/w*L*1/C. Which gives wL*1/wC. and then wL = XL and 1/wC = XC. Therefore R^2 = XL/XC. The only way I could get ohms = ohms. I'm not sure how Henry/Farad = ohms^2.

I understand that inductance of an inductor is determined by the details of its construction and is independent of the frequency of the circuit, same principle applies for the capacitor. But, finding the equivalent impedance of the circuit requires frequency...still lost...I don't know the correct relation among R, XL and Xc from R2=L/C.
 
justtryingtopass said:
R^2 = XL/XC.
No. Your RHS is unitless while the LHS has the unit ohm2.
justtryingtopass said:
Which gives wL*1/wC. and then wL = XL and 1/wC = XC.
Correct. So R2=??
Also, are you familiar with the complex form of impedance?
 
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cnh1995 said:
No. Your RHS is unitless while the LHS has the unit ohm2.

Correct. So R2=??
Also, are you familiar with the complex form of impedance?

Response part 2 - I'm still drawing a blank for R^2. I don't think I know the complex form of impedance. I know that in a parallel circuit Z^-1 = 1/Z+1/Z+1/Z+...but trying to do that in terms of R, C, and L got really messy and the result didn't give me any "ah-ha" moments.
 
So Z = jwL for the impedance of an inductor is not something you've seen before?
If not you will have to deal with the trigonometric relations between applied voltage v and current i for inductors and capacitors:

Let v = v0 sin(wt) across an inductor L or a capacitor C, then
v = L di/dt so iL = v0/wL sin(wt - pi/2)
and iC = C dv/dt = wC sin(wt + pi/2)

Then show that the sum of the squares of the magnitudes of the branch currents |iL|2 + |iC|2 add up to a constant independent of w.
Then wish you had covered complex electrical parameters! :smile:
 

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