If ##|s_{n+1} - s_n| \lt 1/2^n##, then ##(s_n)## is a Cauchy sequence

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The discussion revolves around proving that a sequence \((s_n)\) is a Cauchy sequence given the condition \(|s_{n+1} - s_n| < \frac{1}{2^n}\). Participants explore the implications of this condition within the context of sequences and limits.

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  • Participants discuss the use of limits and the triangle inequality in establishing bounds for differences between sequence terms. There is a focus on the choice of parameters such as \(\varepsilon\) and \(k\), with some questioning the arbitrary nature of these choices. Others suggest alternative approaches to bounding the differences, including the consideration of the tail of the sequence.

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The discussion is active, with various approaches being explored. Some participants have provided guidance on how to structure the reasoning, while others are questioning the validity of certain assumptions and methods. There is no explicit consensus yet, but several productive lines of inquiry are being pursued.

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Participants note potential constraints related to the behavior of the sequence, particularly in cases where it is strictly increasing. There is also mention of the need for careful selection of bounds and parameters in the proofs being discussed.

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My attempt: It can be proved that ##\lim \frac{1}{2^n} = 0##. Consider, ##\frac{\varepsilon}{k} \gt 0##, there exists ##N##, such that
$$
n \gt N \implies \frac{1}{2^n} \lt \varepsilon
$$
Take any ##m,n \gt N##, and such that ##m - k = n##.
##|s_m - s_{m-1} | \lt \frac{1}{2^{m-1}} \lt \frac{\varepsilon}{k}##
##| s_{m-1} - s_{m-2} | \lt \frac{1}{2^{m-2}} \lt \frac{\varepsilon}{k}##
##| s_{m-2} - s_{m-3} \ \lt \frac{1}{2^{m-3} } \lt \frac{\varepsilon}{k}##
## \vdots##
##| s_{m-k+1} - s_{m-k} | \lt \frac{1}{2^{m-k} } \lt\frac{\varepsilon}{k}##
By using triangle inequality repeatedly, we have
## | s_m - s_{m-k} | \lt \varepsilon##
##| s_m - s_n| \lt \varepsilon##

But my doubt with this method is that my choice of ##\frac{\varepsilon}{k}## was not, I mean, very arbitrary, that ##k## determined ##m## and ##n##.

And why everyone else on internet is doing it by using the triangle inequality and making it less than ##\sum_{k=n}^{m-1} \frac{1}{2^k}## and not to ##\varepsilon##?
 
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What about ##m = n +k +1##?
 
The larger you make/consider your tail, the larger the differences, which are then not neccesarily staying within ##\epsilon## from each other. Maybe using ##|S_{n+1} -S_{n}| < \epsilon/2^{n} ## could work.
 
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WWGD said:
The larger you make/consider your tail, the larger the differences, which are then not neccesarily staying within ##\epsilon## from each other. Maybe using ##|S_{n+1} -S_{n}| < \epsilon/2^{n} ## could work.
Can you please explain a little more?
 
The worst case for you is if the sequence is strictly increasing, and each ##s_{n+k}## tries to get as far away from ##s_n## as possible. How far away can it go?
 
Office_Shredder said:
The worst case for you is if the sequence is strictly increasing, and each ##s_{n+k}## tries to get as far away from ##s_n## as possible. How far away can it go?
##\sum_{j=n}^{n+k-1} \frac{1}{2^j}##
 
Can you write down an upper bound for that (let k go to infinity)?
Then use that to say something about the sequence being cauchy.
 
Office_Shredder said:
Can you write down an upper bound for that (let k go to infinity)?
Then use that to say something about the sequence being cauchy.
The maximum distance between any two elements of sequence ##(s_n)##, can be found by letting ##k \to \infty## in the sum above (which is the same thing to say that the distance between ##s_n## and a very far off term), so, we have (the notation ##s_{\infty}## might not be very okay)
$$
| s_{\infty} - s_n| \lt \sum_{n}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^j}$$
$$
| s_{\infty} - s_n| \lt \frac{1}{2^{n-1} }$$

$$
\because \lim \frac{1}{2^n} = 0$$
$$
\therefore n \gt N \implies \frac{1}{2^n} \lt \varepsilon$$

Take any ##m,n \gt N+1 ##, we have established above that no matter how far away ##m## is from ##n##, we have an upper bound, so,
$$
| s_m - s_n| \lt \frac{1}{2^{n-1} }$$
As ## n \gt N+1##, the least value ##n## can take is ##N+2##, therefore RHS of the above inequality would become ## \frac{1}{2^{N+1} }## which is, of course, is less that ##\epsilon##.
$$
| s_m - s_n| \lt \varepsilon $$
 
I think you have the right idea, but it's not well written. The first line should probably look like: given ##\epsilon##, pick ##N## such that ##\frac{1}{2^N} < \epsilon##
 
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Office_Shredder said:
I think you have the right idea, but it's not well written. The first line should probably look like: given ##\epsilon##, pick ##N## such that ##\frac{1}{2^N} < \epsilon##
Let me try to re-write it.

For a given ##\varepsilon \gt 0##, there exists ##N## such that ## n \gt N \implies \frac{1}{2^n} \lt \varepsilon##.

Take any ##m, n \gt N+1##, and we can safely assume ##m-n =k## for some positive ##k##. So, we have

##|s_m - s_{m-1} | \lt \frac{1}{2^{m-1}}##
##| s_{m-1} -s_{m-2}| \lt \frac{1}{2^{m-2} } ##
##\vdots##
##|s_{m-k+1} - s_n| \lt \frac{1}{2^n}##
By using triangle inequality repeatedly, we have
##| s_m - s_n| \lt \sum_{j= n}^{m-1} \frac{1}{2^j} \lt \sum_{n}^{\infty} \frac{1}{2^j}##
##|s_m - s_n| \lt \frac{1}{2^{n-1} } \lt \varepsilon##.

Hence, ##(s_n)## is a Cauchy sequence.
 
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