If sound travels faster through solids then why can't we hear through doors?

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The discussion centers on the question of why sound cannot be heard through closed doors, exploring the interaction of sound waves with solid barriers and the implications of sound propagation in different media. Participants examine theoretical and practical aspects of sound transmission, reflection, and the conditions under which sound can be perceived through barriers.

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Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that sound travels faster through solids, but when it encounters a door, it must then travel through air, which slows it down and reduces its intensity.
  • Others argue that reflection losses occur at the interfaces between the door and air, similar to light, which contributes to the inability to hear sounds from the other side.
  • A participant notes that sound originating outside the door may not effectively induce sound within the solid door, thus limiting transmission to the other side.
  • Some contributors mention that sound can pass through gaps in doors, indicating that no door is completely airtight, which allows for some sound transmission.
  • There is a discussion about the relationship between sound speed, amplitude, and the energy required to produce sound, with some suggesting that stiffer materials require more energy to generate the same amplitude of sound.
  • One participant raises a question about whether reflections can occur if the speed of sound is the same in both media, leading to further exploration of acoustic impedance and density differences.
  • Another participant provides specific values for the acoustic impedance of air and wood, contributing to the technical discussion on sound transmission.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express multiple competing views regarding the mechanisms of sound transmission through doors, with no consensus reached on the primary factors influencing sound perception in this context.

Contextual Notes

Some assumptions about the conditions under which sound travels are not fully explored, such as the effects of door material, thickness, and the specific acoustic properties of the environments involved. The discussion also highlights the complexity of sound transmission and reflection without resolving the nuances.

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Why can't sound pass through closed doors?
 
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abelthayil said:
Why can't sound pass through closed doors?
All those silly people knocking on doors, thinking that you can hear it on the other side. Laughable!
 
A.T. said:
All those silly people knocking on doors, thinking that you can hear it on the other side. Laughable!

Hahaha, that made me chuckle quite a lot.
 
it's undoubtly laughable but it also makes quite sense.we know that sound travels faster through solids and many a time less in gases(air).so when a door is closed the sound waves striking the door move very fast within the door(solid medium) but then it is again subjected to travel through air(gas) before reaching our ears which involves quite time and ultimately the sound wave loses its intensity.
but don't u think of keeping your ears close to the door when someone is knocking at it. you will certainly hear the sound earlier than anybody else in the room.
 
I'm not an acoustics expert, but there are reflection losses at the two interfaces between door and air, just as there are for light between two materials of significantly different refractive index. I would guess that's the main loss, but maybe someone else can correct me.
 
abelthayil said:
Why can't sound pass through closed doors?

A.T.'s answer is perfectly adequate but I talk too much so will expound on it slightly. The problem that I think is confusion you is that you expect sound which originates OUTSIDE of the solid (the door) and in a very weak medium (air) be impinge on the solid sufficiently to induce sound in it. That's not gonna' happen much at all. If you START sound in the door, by for example knocking on it, the it travels quite nicely and quickly and was induced forcefully enough that it can regenerate itself in the air on the other side of the door.
 
If you can't hear sounds behind closed door in a sealed room:

- Your parents gave you a sound-proof room with a sound-proof door or;
- You have hearing problems (genetic, war veteran, music nut, etc)

I sure can hear people say things about me behind closed doors even if they're whispering!
 
I vote the answer given by johng23 as the best one so far. It's same reason that sonar works so well underwater but if you are swimming underwater, you can't hear well some standing out the water yelling at you: strong reflections at the air/water interface. That's why a helicopter with a sonar system (sends and receives sound waves to map out) must lower it on a cable until it dips in the water.
 
chrisbaird said:
I vote the answer given by johng23 as the best one so far.
The answer is actually already given in the OPs question itself:
If sound travels faster through solids then why can't we hear through doors?
If the speed of sound would be the same in air and door, there would be no reflection.
 
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abelthayil said:
Why can't sound pass through closed doors?

A.T. said:
The answer is actually already given in the OPs question itself:

If the speed of sound would be the same in air and door, there would be no reflection.

it's not so much the speed of propagation being different that causes reflections. it's the difference in the characteristic impedance of propagation. reflections happen when that parameter changes suddenly.
 
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Why do you think that faster speed means higher amplitude? Basically, speed of sound depends on young's modulus and stuff like that. When it is very stiff, sound could travel faster.

But I think when it is very stiff it requires larger amount of energy to make the same amplitude, same as the case of harmonic oscillator. Your throat is not likely to generate sufficient amount energy. Only when you put your ear on the door, you could hear a little bit, otherwise the weak sound would again become more dispersed that you can hardly hear any far from the door.
 
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I was only musing a few days ago why sound is able to pass through not just one but a series of rigid barriers. And not just pass through but still maintain fine detail for example in the modulations of the human voice. So I also found the premise of this thread to be puzzling.
 
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YummyFur said:
I was only musing a few days ago why sound is able to pass through not just one but a series of rigid barriers. And not just pass through but still maintain fine detail for example in the modulations of the human voice. So I also found the premise of this thread to be puzzling.

It is important to point out that virtually no doors are actually airtight. Sounds can get through very small gaps. An actual airtight door will have a dramatic effect on sound passing from outside to inside.
 
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rbj said:
it's not so much the speed of propagation being different that causes reflections. it's the difference in the characteristic impedance of propagation. reflections happen when that parameter changes suddenly.
Can you have reflection, if the speed of propagation is the same in both media?
 
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A.T. said:
Can you have reflection, if the speed of propagation is the same in both media?
Yes, in principle, if they have different densities. The acoustic impedance of the medium is Z=cρ where c is the speed of sound and ρ the density. The reflection coefficient depends on the difference between the impedance of the two media.
 
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Acoustic impedance mismatch...

At room temperature air has a specific acoustic impedance of about 420 Pa·s/m
That for wood (pine) is about 1.57 Pa·s/m 10^6
 

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