If the speed of light were zero

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Discussion Overview

The discussion centers around the implications of hypothetically setting the speed of light to zero and the consequences this might have on our understanding of physics, particularly regarding the possibility of traveling faster than light. Participants explore theoretical scenarios, challenge assumptions, and suggest experiments to test these ideas.

Discussion Character

  • Debate/contested
  • Exploratory
  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants propose that if the speed of light were considered to be zero, it might allow for the possibility of traveling slower than zero, raising questions about the nature of speed and motion.
  • Others argue that the speed of light is a fundamental constant (approximately 299,792.458 km/s) and cannot be arbitrarily set to zero without causing inconsistencies in established physical theories, such as relativity.
  • A participant questions the implications of all beings traveling at the speed of light, asking about the direction of such travel.
  • Another participant humorously shifts the topic to a hypothetical scenario involving a baseball and pitching, which appears unrelated to the main discussion.
  • Some participants express uncertainty about the consequences of defining subluminal speeds as negative if the speed of light were set to zero.
  • A later reply emphasizes that while setting c=1 is a common practice in general relativity for simplicity, the proposal to set c=0 would lead to significant problems with established theories.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally disagree on the validity of considering the speed of light as zero, with some defending the established understanding of light speed while others explore the hypothetical implications. The discussion remains unresolved, with multiple competing views presented.

Contextual Notes

Limitations include the dependence on definitions of speed and motion, as well as unresolved implications of setting the speed of light to zero on existing physical theories.

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One problem that I have with physics is the notion that we can not go faster than the speed of light. I believe the solution is to consider the speed of light to be zero, and we are traveling at the speed of light and can never slow down completely. This may be considered to be just the same concept but in reverse, however, from this new concept it should be possible to go slower than 0. Please suggest experiments to test this.
 
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WillBlake said:
One problem that I have with physics is the notion that we can not go faster than the speed of light.

No information or matter can travel faster than the speed of light. Wikipedia: "The equations of relativity show that, for an object traveling faster than c, some physical quantities would be not represented by real numbers."

WillBlake said:
I believe the solution is to consider the speed of light to be zero,

The speed of light is the speed of anything having 0 rest mass. The speed of light itself is 299,792.458 km/s. I'm not sure if you can arbitrarily set the speed of light to zero, because then all subluminal speeds would then be negative. I may be wrong, but I think having c=0 might mess up some equations (E=mc2). Maybe consider c=1? Subluminal speeds would then be fractions, not negative.

WillBlake said:
and we are traveling at the speed of light and can never slow down completely.

Light itself can never slow down. We ( I assume you mean human beings), on the other hand, are traveling far slower than the speed of light. It is impossible for anything with mass to travel at the speed of light.

WillBlake said:
This may be considered to be just the same concept but in reverse, however, from this new concept it should be possible to go slower than 0. Please suggest experiments to test this.

Again, I'm not sure if subluminal speeds can be negative or not. The speed of light has been verified by http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_of_light#Measurement_of_the_speed_of_light". If I've made any mistakes in my understanding feel free to correct me.
 
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But if we all traveled at the speed of light, in which direction would we be traveling in?
 
If a baseball were too heavy to throw would a left-handed pitcher be better than a right-handed one?
 
WillBlake said:
One problem that I have with physics is the notion that we can not go faster than the speed of light. I believe the solution is to consider the speed of light to be zero, and we are traveling at the speed of light and can never slow down completely. This may be considered to be just the same concept but in reverse, however, from this new concept it should be possible to go slower than 0. Please suggest experiments to test this.

What do you mean by "consider" the speed of light to be zero? It is a fact that the speed of light is NOT 0 and I cannot see anything to be gained by "considering" something false.
 
This simply doesn't work. Setting C=1 works, and is done in GR for simplicity, but your idea would cause numerous problems with established physical theories. Most basically of all, we are NOT going faster than light is.
 

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