If there is no acceleration, does that mean no force?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the relationship between force and acceleration, particularly questioning whether the absence of acceleration implies the absence of force. Participants explore this concept through examples, including pushing a box at constant velocity, and consider the implications of net force in various scenarios.

Discussion Character

  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants assert that no acceleration means no net force, but this does not imply that no force is being applied. For instance, pushing a box at constant velocity involves a force that is countered by friction.
  • Others argue that while the net force may be zero, forces can still exist in balance, such as the force applied to a chair by a person being countered by the force of the ground and air.
  • One participant mentions a professor's statement that force is defined as "what happens," suggesting a need for clarification on this definition.
  • There is a discussion about the forces acting on a chair, including air pressure and the person's weight, and how they interact to result in no net force.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants generally agree that no acceleration indicates no net force, but there is disagreement on the interpretation of what this means for the existence of applied forces. The discussion remains unresolved regarding the implications of force in everyday language versus physics.

Contextual Notes

Some participants express confusion over the terminology and definitions of force, suggesting that language may influence their understanding of the concepts discussed.

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So last year, I was told by a friend that no Acceleration means no Force, Mathematically, this makes sense
(500 Kg * 0 m/s^2 = 0 N), but intuitively, I can't wrap my head around it. Maybe this is because of language and the way we use the word force in normal conversation, but in physics it is also defined as a push or pull. So If I am pushing a box at a constant velocity (0 acceleration),does that mean I am not applying a force? Another thing that makes me believe that a force is applied is that I was told by my professor in lecture that (force is not actually
Mass * Acceleration, but rather "It's What Happens".) Please help me wrap my head around this.
 
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TheNeezoMan said:
So If I am pushing a box at a constant velocity (0 acceleration),does that mean I am not applying a force?
It is being counter-balanced by surface friction**.
If you removed the surface friction, but kept the force, the box would begin to accelerate. To keep it at a constant velocity, you would have to stop applying a force.

**or, I suppose, air resistance, if you're, like, Superman or something.
 
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TheNeezoMan said:
So last year, I was told by a friend that no Acceleration means no Force

Not true. No acceleration means no net force, not that there isn't any force. I'm certainly applying a force on my chair right now. 155 pounds of force to be exact.
 
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Drakkith said:
Not true. No acceleration means no net force, not that there isn't any force. I'm certainly applying a force on my chair right now. 155 pounds of force to be exact.
Does 10000 kgs of air count? Or it is canceled out by the air underneath the chair.
 
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Neon said:
Does 10000 kgs of air count? Or it is canceled out by the air underneath the chair.

Yes, it is canceled by the air underneath. Well, more like opposed instead of cancelled. There is certainly a force on all sides of the chair from either the air, myself, or the ground (or a combination of them). There's no net force because they all oppose each other equally.
 
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TheNeezoMan said:
So last year, I was told by a friend that no Acceleration means no Force, Mathematically, this makes sense
(500 Kg * 0 m/s^2 = 0 N), but intuitively, I can't wrap my head around it. Maybe this is because of language and the way we use the word force in normal conversation, but in physics it is also defined as a push or pull. So If I am pushing a box at a constant velocity (0 acceleration),does that mean I am not applying a force?

Not necessarily. It means that the sum or net force on the box is zero. For example if the force you apply exactly matches that of friction the the net force is zero. The box can be moving but not accelerating.

Another thing that makes me believe that a force is applied is that I was told by my professor in lecture that (force is not actually
Mass * Acceleration, but rather "It's What Happens".) Please help me wrap my head around this.

You would have to ask your prof what he means.

Back to the box example. It would be reasonable to write..

Fnet = Fyou - Ffriction = mass * acceleration

Then if the force you apply is just equal to friction the acceleration is zero.
 
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