If you travel around the world, what would the velocity be?

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The discussion revolves around the concepts of velocity, displacement, and distance in the context of traveling around the Earth. Participants explore the definitions and implications of these terms, particularly in relation to circumnavigation and the nature of average versus instantaneous velocity.

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Main Points Raised

  • One participant questions the textbook's assertion that velocity can be calculated using the formula v = (2*pi*r)/t, suggesting that since the displacement is zero for a complete circumnavigation, the average velocity should also be zero.
  • Another participant asserts that displacement is a vector quantity and that for a complete trip around the globe, the displacement is indeed the circumference of the Earth.
  • It is noted that the average velocity for a complete circumnavigation is zero, while the instantaneous velocity at any point can be expressed as 2πr/T, assuming constant speed.
  • Participants clarify the distinction between displacement as a vector and distance as a scalar, emphasizing that average velocity is defined as velocity = displacement/time.
  • One participant raises a question about whether to consider a geodesic or straight line displacement for calculating displacement, particularly when discussing halfway around the globe.
  • Another participant suggests that the displacement for traveling halfway around the globe would be the diameter of the Earth, while others discuss the implications of different interpretations of displacement.
  • It is mentioned that displacement represents the length of a straight-line path between start and end points, while distance refers to the length along the traveled path.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the definitions and implications of displacement and velocity, particularly in the context of circumnavigation. There is no consensus on how to interpret displacement in this scenario, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the importance of definitions in discussing displacement and velocity, and the discussion reveals potential ambiguities in applying these concepts to the scenario of traveling around the Earth.

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This isn't a homework question. My friend stumbled upon his textbook that stated since the circumference of the globe is 2*pi*r, the velocity of someone who "ran all the way around" would be v = (2*pi*r)/t.

However, isn't the displacement zero? And velocity = displacement/time?

so is this a textbook typo, or is there another point I'm missing? xD
 
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displacement is a vector quantity so it is linear, the displacement would be the whole circumference of the earth, as it is a vector quantity ;)
 
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The average velocity for a complete circumnavigation is zero.

The instantaneous velocity at any point in the trip has a magnitude 2πr/T, assuming constant speed, and a direction which is continuously changing.
 
No, displacement is a vector quantity.
Distance is scalar
 
Many things here. First displacement is a vector quantity and so is velocity. The equation,

velocity = displacement/time

is a vectpr equation, describing the AVERAGE velocity.

If you travel around the world, starting and ending at the same location, at a constant speed, your average velocity is zero because during half the travel, the direction of your velocity vector is one way. During the other half of the travel, it's direction is the opposite way.

Since you are moving at constant speed, the AVERAGE speed, defined as
speed = distance/time (which is also the only speed you travel at) will be

2*pi*r/t
 
By the way, do we consider a geodesic or straight line displacement (which actually is the shortest distance between these two points!) in this case, for the displacement vector?

Eg, if we travel halfway across the globe, would our displacement be the diameter of the Earth or will it be equal to [itex]\Pi[/itex]r ?
 
By the way, do we consider a geodesic or straight line displacement (which actually is the shortest distance between these two points!) in this case, for the displacement vector?

Eg, if we travel halfway across the globe, would our displacement be the diameter of the Earth or will it be equal to Πr ?

I would say the diameter would be the displacement in this case.
 
Displacement is the length of a straight-line path between the start and end points (2r in this case).

Distance is the length along the path traveled (πr in this case).
 

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