Ignition Coil and Capacitor oscillations

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The discussion centers on the oscillations produced by an ignition coil and capacitor in an automotive ignition system. When the points close, the capacitor charges the coil to approximately 2 amps, leading to a high voltage of around 300 volts across the capacitor upon opening. This voltage causes resonant oscillations, resulting in a secondary voltage of about 30,000 volts due to the ~100:1 turns ratio. The analysis confirms that these oscillations can produce multiple sparks at the spark plug, but the loading from the spark plug quickly dampens the oscillation, resulting in one main spark per compression cycle.

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  • Understanding of Faraday's Law in electromagnetic induction
  • Knowledge of L-C (inductor-capacitor) circuit behavior
  • Familiarity with automotive ignition systems and spark plug operation
  • Experience with LTSPICE simulation software for circuit analysis
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BOB S had posted this in a now closed thread:

https://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=360072

When the points close, the capacitor is shorted and the coil primary charges up to about 2 amps (limited by coil internal resistance of ~6 ohms). When the points open, there is a very large V = L dI/dt voltage, ~300 volts, across the capacitor that resonates back and forth with current in the coil, for ~ 10 cycles. The coil secondary:primary turns ratio is ~100:1 so the coil secondary voltage is ~30,000 volts. See my LTSPICE simulation
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachm...6&d=1250393723
The points close at 0 and 4 milliseconds, and they open at 2 and 6 milliseconds.

Regarding this analysis ...
https://www.physicsforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=20126&d=1250393723

My questions ...

Q1) Does this oscillation from the L-C circuit actually cause several (+/-/+/-) sparks on the spark plug each time the peak voltage on the secondary exceeds the break-over voltage?

Q2) How quickly does the loading from the spark plug via the secondary dampen out that oscillation in the real world?

Q3) So, how many "sparks" are there in one compression cycle?
 
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The attachment was a simulation. The capacitor is there to reduce arcs across the points from the inductive back-voltage, thus increasing the point's lifetime. His simulation has the output on the capacitor which is not how auto ignition systems are designed.

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Faraday's Law and Auto Ignition
 
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mrsummitville said:
My questions ...

Q1) Does this oscillation from the L-C circuit actually cause several (+/-/+/-) sparks on the spark plug each time the peak voltage on the secondary exceeds the break-over voltage?

Q2) How quickly does the loading from the spark plug via the secondary dampen out that oscillation in the real world?

Q3) So, how many "sparks" are there in one compression cycle?

Once the arc has struck, the LC resonance is very heavily damped (shorted right out) so you will get one main spike and a small 'ring' at DC. The spark itself will have a wide band of RF oscillation, during the current spike.
 

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