I'm looking for a Quantum Mechanics textbook

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The discussion revolves around recommendations for a quantum mechanics textbook, focusing on theoretical approaches suitable for beginners. Participants explore various texts, their philosophical underpinnings, and the balance between theory and conceptual understanding.

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  • Conceptual clarification

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants recommend Griffiths and Sakurai for their theoretical approaches, while others express reservations about their suitability for beginners.
  • One participant suggests that philosophy is more important than theory for a first textbook, recommending Landau and Lifshitz, while another argues that philosophy can be confusing and prefers a more straightforward approach.
  • There are differing opinions on the inclusion of philosophical content in textbooks, with some advocating for a "no-nonsense approach" and others emphasizing the importance of conceptual understanding.
  • Some participants propose that a balance of texts, such as combining Sakurai with Landau and Lifshitz, could provide a comprehensive foundation.
  • Concerns are raised about the clarity of certain textbooks, with one participant criticizing Griffiths for its lack of depth compared to other recommended texts like Shankar's Principles of Quantum Mechanics.
  • Discussions about the concept of "collapse" in quantum mechanics arise, with participants debating the interpretations presented in various textbooks, particularly Landau and Lifshitz.

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Participants express multiple competing views on the best textbooks for learning quantum mechanics, with no consensus on a single recommendation. Disagreements also exist regarding the role of philosophy in understanding quantum mechanics and the interpretation of concepts like collapse.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the importance of background knowledge in math and physics for selecting an appropriate textbook, indicating that recommendations may depend on individual experience and learning preferences.

  • #31
Vanadium 50 said:
Commutators first.
Some good examples?
 
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  • #32
I don't know of any books that do it this way. I have some decades-only lecture notes. (You asked for approaches, not instances.)

It's not necessarily stupid, although I think it would have worked better had I been solid with Poisson brackets.
 
  • #33
Demystifier said:
Some good examples?

Maybe https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=Bn7MaT3X8fkC&source=gbs_navlinks_s

In a way also https://www.amazon.com/dp/0470026790/?tag=pfamazon01-20 which mentions the uncertainty principle in chapter 1, and then derives the uncertainty principle from commutation relations in chapter 2.

Of course it's a bit unfortunate that Heisenberg's historical argument doesn't have that much to do with the usual uncertainty principle, and many textbooks motivate the latter from the former.
 
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  • #34
I would take out the Heisenberg microscope and the sound wave analogy from any textbook.
 
  • #35
dextercioby said:
I would take out the Heisenberg microscope and the sound wave analogy from any textbook.

Or keep it and add the correct dervation of the Heisenberg microscope from the commutation relations.
 
  • #36
Vanadium 50 said:
Commutators first.
Of course, this means "symmetries first", and that's anyway the right approach to a consistent narrative of all of theoretical physics. If there is one methodological breakthrough of 20th-century physics then it's Emmy Noether's invariant-theoretical approach to physics!
 
  • #37
atyy said:
Maybe https://books.google.com.sg/books?id=Bn7MaT3X8fkC&source=gbs_navlinks_s

In a way also https://www.amazon.com/dp/0470026790/?tag=pfamazon01-20 which mentions the uncertainty principle in chapter 1, and then derives the uncertainty principle from commutation relations in chapter 2.

Of course it's a bit unfortunate that Heisenberg's historical argument doesn't have that much to do with the usual uncertainty principle, and many textbooks motivate the latter from the former.
The irony is that Heisenberg's historical argument is indeed wrong, and it took Bohr several days of hard persuasion to correct it! We've discussed this several times in the forum.
 
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  • #39
Why not Dirac's book for a first book in QM?
 
  • #40
fluidistic said:
Here's a rather harsh critics of the above mentioned Zettili's book - and also Ballentine's - http://www.famaf.unc.edu.ar/~raggio/QM2/bzt.pdf in the way they treat irreducible spherical tensor operators.

Fair point and useful to know. However, the topic of (spherical) tensor operator is glossed over in university courses on QM for its applications are not immediate or standard or deemed mandatory.
 
  • #41
martinbn said:
Why not Dirac's book for a first book in QM?
The only reason I see is a somewhat old-fashioned notation.
 
  • #42
I attended classes in QM at 4 different graduate schools. Two out of the four treated spherical tensor operators above the level of the textbook. The two professors who taught the classes out of their notes emphasized their importance. But it could be because one of the professors who taught the class was a student of Wigner's.
 
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