Imaging optics and lowest possible angle video projection?

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the challenges of achieving a low projection angle or long throw ratio for a pocket DLP projector. Participants explore the feasibility of maintaining a projection size close to the DLP matrix at a short distance of 15 cm, considering various optical components and configurations.

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  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant inquires about the minimum projection angle achievable with DLP projections and questions whether it can match or be smaller than the DLP micromirror array at a 15 cm throw distance.
  • Another participant suggests that a telephoto lens might be a suitable approach for achieving the desired projection characteristics, but acknowledges the complexity of imaging non-monochrome lenses.
  • A different participant notes that achieving a 1:1 magnification ratio requires similar distances from the object to the lens and from the lens to the screen, indicating that a telephoto lens may not significantly alter the basic geometric constraints.
  • There is mention of the potential benefits of using a macro lens for achieving a 1:1 ratio, with a suggestion to explore second-hand camera lenses as a viable option.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express varying opinions on the effectiveness of different lens types and configurations, indicating that multiple competing views remain regarding the best approach to achieve the desired projection characteristics.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the complexity of projector and camera lenses, which often consist of multiple elements, suggesting that simple solutions may not suffice. The discussion also reflects uncertainty regarding the limitations of focusing mechanisms and the impact of lens positioning on projection quality.

Who May Find This Useful

This discussion may be of interest to individuals working on optical engineering projects, particularly those focused on video projection technologies and lens design considerations.

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I have a very very unusual project requirement where I need a pocket video projection with the lowest possible projection angle or "longest possible throw-ratio".

It's a pocket DLP projector so goal is to have the beam remain ,as much as possible, almost the same size as the DLP matrix, for a 15 cm projection distance.

I had some luck with ordinary "12x" attachment telephoto lens for iphone and moving the stock projector lens way farther from the DLP matrix than originally inteded and having the telephoto attachment lens right after that. Results were good but projection still bigger than the DLP matrix but focusing was only achieved with a 50cm distance, not closer. I assume the inability to focus at closer distances could also have been from the positioning limits of the focus lens element on the telephoto attachment lens and the stock projector lens.

I guess my first question is what minimum projection angle is possible with DLP projections? I don't suppose it can be made to be the same size or even less than the DLP micromirror array itself for a 15cm throw distance?

Second question, is a telephoto lens the correct approach for achieving this desired result?
 
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Above was found with: https://www.google.com/search?&q=lens+formula+calculator
(which found over 200 000 hits). Also try a search the "Lens Formula", which is the common name.

And welcome to PF!

Cheers,
Tom
 
imaging non-monochrome lenses are complicated, projector and camera lenses can have 6-8 or more elements. Sadly you can't just put one lens element to focus the projection beam to infinity.
 
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mudicokula said:
I need a pocket video projection with the lowest possible projection angle or "longest possible throw-ratio".
IF you want a 1:1 magnification ratio of object to image size, the ratio of distances from object to lens and lens to screen need to be similar. A telephoto lens can reduce this a bit by shortening the projector lens tube a bit but it could be hard to beat the basic geometry.
Your Micromirror device is probably not all that cheap and you perhaps should consider spending a bit on a lens. It is possible that a 'Macro' lens would do the job of a 1:1 ratio. Second hand camera lenses are all over eBay. It could be worth a look.
 

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