Impact of air resistance at varying angles

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the impact of air resistance on the horizontal range of projectiles launched at varying angles. Participants explore the relationship between launch angle and the effect of air resistance, seeking qualitative explanations and clarifications on the underlying physics.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Technical explanation
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • Some participants suggest that the impact of air resistance on horizontal range increases with launch angle, but only up to a certain angle, specifically between 0° and 90°.
  • Others argue that at 0° and 90°, the impact of air resistance is zero, leading to a non-linear relationship in the range of angles where air resistance affects the range.
  • One participant requests a qualitative explanation for why air resistance has a greater impact on range at higher angles compared to lower angles.
  • Another participant points out that the ratio of linear projectile velocity in the x-direction is important for understanding the effects of air resistance.
  • Some participants express confusion about the relationship between angle and air resistance, questioning why the impact is greater at certain angles and whether the graph supports their claims.
  • There is a discussion about the distribution of velocity components at different angles, with some participants asserting that at lower angles, more velocity is directed horizontally, leading to less air resistance affecting the horizontal motion.
  • One participant mentions that showing mathematical relationships could serve as an explanation for the observed effects.
  • Another participant challenges the interpretation of angles, suggesting that there may be a misunderstanding regarding the definitions of 0° and 90° in the context of projectile motion.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants do not reach a consensus on the relationship between launch angle and the impact of air resistance. Multiple competing views remain, particularly regarding the qualitative explanations and the interpretation of the graph presented.

Contextual Notes

There are limitations in the discussion regarding assumptions about the projectile's velocity components and the definitions of angles in the context of the provided graph. Some participants express uncertainty about the implications of their observations.

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I recently read that the impact of air resistance on the horizontal range increases as the launch angle increases (http://moodle.davidson.edu/moodle2/pluginfile.php/121168/mod_resource/content/2/Brancozio%20fly-ball%20paper.pdf). A graph depicting this is attached. Is there a reason for why this is? I'm not a very good mathematician so it would be great if the explanations didn't involve too much calculus / are mainly qualitatitive (although I do understand a bit of differentiation and integration)
 

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eddywalrus said:
I recently read that the impact of air resistance on the horizontal range increases as the launch angle increases
Only up to a certain angle. At 90° launch angle air resistance doesn't change the horizontal range. Same for 0°. It can only affect non-zero ranges, which are between 0 and 90°.
 
Thanks for the response and clarification, but would you be able to provide an explanation for why this is the case (if the angle x is restricted to 0 < x < 90)?
 
eddywalrus said:
Thanks for the response and clarification, but would you be able to provide an explanation for why this is the case (if the angle x is restricted to 0 < x < 90)?
Why air resistance reduces non-zero ranges? Well, it slows down the projectile.
 
Nope, as in why the impact of air resistance on range increases as the angle increases; why is it that, at higher angles, the range is reduced by so much more than it is at lower angles?

Thanks for your help!
 
eddywalrus said:
Nope, as in why the impact of air resistance on range increases as the angle increases;
The impact is zero at 0° and 90° and non-zero in between. So it must increase and then get back to zero as you go from 0° to 90°.
 
You have to consider the ratio of linear projectile velocity which is contributing to work in the "x" direction.
 
A.T. said:
The impact is zero at 0° and 90° and non-zero in between. So it must increase and then get back to zero as you go from 0° to 90°.

But the fact that the impact is zero at 0 and 90 degrees, and non-zero in between, only suggests that, as you said, the impact of air resistance on the range must increase and get back to zero -- it doesn't explain why, for example, the impact of air resistance on range is greater for 80 degrees than for 60 degrees (or am I missing something here?)
 
jerromyjon said:
You have to consider the ratio of linear projectile velocity which is contributing to work in the "x" direction.

Could you explain this a bit further please?
 
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eddywalrus said:
But the fact that the impact is zero at 0 and 90 degrees, and non-zero in between, only suggests that, as you said, the impact of air resistance on the range must increase...
Right, so it must be increasing with increasing angle, for certain angles, which is what you wanted explained.

eddywalrus said:
it doesn't explain why, for example, the impact of air resistance on range is greater for 80 degrees than for 60 degrees (or am I missing something here?)
Right, it doesn't. You wanted a qualitative explanation. Justifying particular quantitative results is more complex. Also, if you look at your graph, you will find that the impact at 80° is actually less than at 60°.
 
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A.T. said:
Right, so it must be increasing with increasing angle, for certain angles, which is what you wanted explained.

Right, it doesn't. You wanted a qualitative explanation. Justifying particular quantitative results is more complex. Also, if you look at your graph, you will find that the impact at 80° is actually less than at 60°.

But is there an explanation for why it is the way it is? The fact that the impact is zero at 0 and 90 degrees only indicates that the impact increases with increasing angle, but doesn't explain it per say. Thanks for your help anyway!
 
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It boils down to x velocity. At 10 degrees most of the velocity is in y, very little in x, so very little air resistance contributes to deceleration of x velocity. As x velocity increases at 20 degrees y velocity decreases so more air resistance to decelerate x, less for y.
 
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jerromyjon said:
It boils down to x velocity. At 10 degrees most of the velocity is in y, very little in x, so very little air resistance contributes to deceleration of x velocity. As x velocity increases at 20 degrees y velocity decreases so more air resistance to decelerate x, less for y.

Thank you for your response. But isn't it the other way round; at 10 degrees (i.e. 10 degrees upwards from the horizontal) most of the velocity is in the horizontal (x), rather than the vertical (y), right?
 
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eddywalrus said:
The fact that the impact is zero at 0 and 90 degrees only indicates that the impact increases with increasing angle
The fact that impact is zero at 0° and 90° and non-zero in between, implies that it must increase with increasing angle, for some angles in that range.

eddywalrus said:
but doesn't explain it per say.
Showing mathematically that something must be true is a form of explanation to me.
 
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I think you are looking at it backwards, 0 is straight up and 90 is horizontal in your baseball example chart. 90 degrees isn't included in the chart because "grounders?" don't fly very far...
 
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A.T. said:
The fact that impact is zero at 0° and 90° and non-zero in between, implies that it must increase with increasing angle, for some angles in that range.Showing mathematically that something must be true is a form of explanation to me.

Thank you for your contribution, but it doesn't really satisfy my curiosity :(

jerromyjon said:
I think you are looking at it backwards, 0 is straight up and 90 is horizontal in your baseball example chart. 90 degrees isn't included in the chart because "grounders?" don't fly very far...

In the document it refers to angles above the horizontal:
upload_2015-6-24_23-24-56.png


Thank you for your help though!
 
  • #17
It appears to contradict actual physics then, because at 10 degrees just above horizontal at 60 mph the baseball would travel 95 percent of the distance in air than it would in vacuum according to the chart.
 
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