Impedance & complex currents & voltages

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The discussion revolves around problem 19C, which involves the concepts of impedance, complex currents, and voltages in the context of electrical power calculations. The original poster attempts to calculate power using complex forms of current and voltage, leading to questions about the validity of their approach.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory, Conceptual clarification, Mathematical reasoning

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants discuss the calculation of instantaneous power using complex voltage and current, questioning the appropriateness of using these forms for averaging power. There are inquiries about the necessity of considering only the real parts of the quantities involved.

Discussion Status

The discussion is active, with participants exploring the implications of using complex forms for power calculations and clarifying the need to focus on real quantities for certain operations. Some guidance has been offered regarding the integration of instantaneous power over a cycle to find the average power.

Contextual Notes

Participants note that the problem requires the time average of power, which introduces constraints on how complex quantities can be utilized in calculations. There is also a mention of the linearity of operations with complex numbers, which is under scrutiny.

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Homework Statement


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Just problem 19C.

Homework Equations


P=IV=Ieiwt*Veiwt. T

The Attempt at a Solution


P = IVe2iwt=IVcos(2wt). What did I do wrong?
 
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It asks for the time average. Integrate it over a cycle, i.e. t = 0 to 2π/ω.
 
gimak said:

Homework Statement


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Just problem 19C.
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Homework Equations


P=IV=Ieiwt*Veiwt. T

The Attempt at a Solution


P = IVe2iwt=IVcos(2wt). What did I do wrong?

The instantaneous power is the product of the real voltage and the real current. The complex form of power and voltage can be used for linear operations only (addition, multiplication with constant). In general, the current and voltage need not be in phase.
The complex voltage U and complex current I are related through the complex impedance Z=Ze: U=ZI. Writing in the Euler form, I=I0eiωt, U=ZI=I0Z ei(ωt+φ)=U0ei(ωt+φ).
The instantaneous power is the product or the real part of the complex current (I(t)=I0cos(ωt) with the real part of the complex voltage U(t)=U0cos(ωt+φ)), where U0=I0Z. The problem asks the average power, so you integrate the instantaneous power for a period and divide by the period T.
 
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ehild said:
The complex form of power and voltage can be used for linear operations only (addition, multiplication with constant).

So this means that we can't use their complex form because whatever operators we use on them are only linear? Also, is another way to understand this is that since power & voltage are real, that means we must take their real part when doing operations with them?
 
gimak said:
So this means that we can't use their complex form because whatever operators we use on them are only linear? Also, is another way to understand this is that since power & voltage are real, that means we must take their real part when doing operations with them?
You can do linear operations with the complex voltages and currants, but in any other case, the real quantities should be used.
 

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