ghwellsjr said:
So because my spacetime diagrams only show one frame instead of the two that are more commonly shown in a
Minkowski diagram, that prevented you from grasping what I was presenting, correct? But now that you realize the difference, does
post #23 make perfect sense to you? Could you use it with further explanation to get your son to understand what I was presenting there?
No, it was not that only one frame was shown. It was the description of the rocket as moving. The application of motion words to the rocket is a trigger. The objector is under the mistaken impression that if the rocket does not move, the traveling Earth twin will be younger on reunion. All talk about inertial vs. non-inertial is not exactly denied; it is just ineffective. He feels he is entitled to a review of the case in which the rocket is stationary; he wants to see how it works out. Any description of the rocket as moving triggers the rejection of the explanation and the repeat of the objection: I want to see the case in which the rocket is stationary.
It is difficult to avoid motion words. As you observed, I tried to use neutral descriptors, so that I did not give the reader any room to infer that one or the other object is "really" moving. And, as you also observed, I did not fully succeed. I will revise the text, because I think it is important, in this problem more than others, to avoid the "motion" trigger.
ghwellsjr said:
Are you talking about this one spacetime diagram?
No, I mean the ordinary spacetime diagram, the one showing the Earth's worldline as a single line segment, and the rocket's worldline as two line segments, forming a triangle.
The "aha" moment for me was the realization that this spacetime diagram shows both cases at once. The worldline of the Earth shows the Earth at rest in its inertial frame; that same worldline shows the Earth moving relative to the rocket's inertial frames. Similarly, the two worldlines of the rocket show the rocket in motion with respect to the Earth's inertial frame, and at rest in its two inertial frames.
So, when the objector says, "I want to see the case in which the rocket is at rest", the response can be, "We have that case already in front of us, in the spacetime diagram that we have been studying."
This will come as a surprise to the objector. He believes that the only way to show the rocket at rest is with one line segment.
Having gotten his attention, it can now be shown that the rocket is indeed at rest in its inertial frame during separation, just as the Earth is at rest in its inertial frame.
When the separation ends and approach begins, a choice must be made. One or the other object must change frames. It would be helpful, I think, to show provisionally the Earth changing frames, with the worldline drawn to the "northeast" to meet the rocket, which continues along its original line. This is where the inertial/non-inertial distinction becomes meaningful to the objector. It can be pointed out that Earth is (or would be) at rest in this new inertial frame, just as it was in the original inertial frame. But the Earth cannot change inertial frames, because it is inertial throughout--the Earth twin feels no unbalanced force.
The rocket does feel an unbalanced force; it is non-inertial. It can therefore change inertial frames. But it does not move in its frame, even during the period of "non-inertiality"; its coordinate is zero throughout.
Now the objector (this one, at least) has not only seen the case of the stationary rocket, he understands why the inertial/non-inertial distinction proves that the rocket twin must be younger, and the Earth twin cannot be younger.
ghwellsjr said:
If so, wouldn't it have been just as confusing to you if you had not previously figured out that it was not a conventional Minkowski diagram with two frames in it?
The drawing was confusing, but not because it has only one frame. (Arguably it has four, though without axes shown for two?) It is not clear why the Earth's worldline has three segments. Also, it is not obvious why the timing of received light signals is important to the argument. I don't doubt that these issues go away if your explanation is studied with due diligence. It's just that by the time I got that far (in the first reading), I was already overloaded with detail, and fighting the "motion trigger" reflex.
ghwellsjr said:
What are you calling a symmetrical diagram? A Minkowski diagram? And why would it be invalid? And why is it not needed? Now I'm confused.
Consider the valid triangular spacetime diagram: the Earth's single-segment worldline is drawn vertically; the rocket's bent worldline is on the right. The symmetrical diagram has the rocket's worldline drawn vertically, and the Earth's bent worldline on the left. That is the diagram the objector expects to see in the case that the rocket is stationary. It is invalid because the Earth in inertial. It is not needed because the valid diagram shows the case of the rocket at rest.