B Twins Paradox Thought Exp: What Happens When Reunited?

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The discussion centers around the twins paradox in relativity, highlighting the confusion surrounding time dilation and the perception of time between two twins—one traveling in a spaceship and the other remaining on Earth. Both twins observe each other's clocks running slow due to time dilation while moving apart, but the situation changes upon the traveling twin's return. The Doppler effect plays a significant role, as the traveling twin sees the Earth clock speed up when turning around, while the Earth twin does not perceive this change until the light from the turnaround event reaches them. The conversation emphasizes the importance of correcting for light travel time when calculating observed clock rates, leading to differing total time experienced by each twin. Ultimately, the resolution of the paradox lies in understanding the relativity of simultaneity and the effects of acceleration on time perception.
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Grasshopper said:
It seems the misconception is people get the idea that the time dilation effect and Doppler effect are competing with each other for approaching clocks. But the equation says what it says fairly unambiguously.
To be precise, that's the relativistic Doppler effect, which involves an element of time dilation. There is, for example, the transverse Doppler effect, which is essentially all due to time dilation.

In general, whether there is a redshift or blueshift also depends on the angle between the source and receiver. When the angle is zero there is always a blueshift (increased frequency).
 
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Grasshopper said:
It seems the misconception is people get the idea that the time dilation effect and Doppler effect are competing with each other for approaching clocks. But the equation says what it says fairly unambiguously.
You can see the relativistic Doppler effect as the product of the Lorentz gamma factor and the naive distance-change-only Doppler factor of non-relativistic physics. In that sense, yes, the naive Doppler effect dominates the relativistic time dilation effect to get a net speed-up for sources approaching you.

But I'd say it's more sensible to call relativistic Doppler "Doppler" and refer to the distance-change-only effect by another term (distance-change-only, for example). Relativistic Doppler is the measurable thing - the other is a frame-dependent effect, so less important.
 
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