Implicit differentiation help again

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This discussion focuses on the application of implicit differentiation to two equations: \( \frac{x}{y-x^2}=1 \) and \( (y^2-1)^3=x^2-y \). The first equation's solution involves recognizing an error in the multiplication process, which leads to a simpler form for solving \( y' \). The second equation demonstrates the chain rule and the need to correctly isolate \( dy/dx \) to derive the final expression. Key insights include the importance of careful algebraic manipulation and the application of differentiation rules.

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implicit differentiation help :) again!

Homework Statement


Use implicit differentiation
1) x/(y-x2)=1

and

2) (y2-1)3=x2-y

The Attempt at a Solution



1) x/(y-x2)=1
=> [(y-x2)(1)-(x)((1*dy/dx)-2x)]/[(y-x)2]2=0
=> y-x2-x(dy/dx)+2x2=[(y-x)2]2

I think I'm going to stop here because I'm pretty sure it's wrong so no reason to keep putting what i got. What am i doing wrong here?2) (y2-1)3=x2-y
=> 3(y2-1)2*(2y(dy/dx) = 2x-(dy/dx)
=> 3(y2-1)2*(2y(dy/dx))+(dy/dx) = 2x

Now here, i know the next step is
(dy/dx)(3(y2-1)2*(2y)+1)=2x

But i have no idea how i should get to this step. How did the dy/dx (the one that comes first) come out and where did the other dy/dx go (it became a 1??)
can anyone explain this to me?
 
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A_Munk3y said:

Homework Statement


Use implicit differentiation
1) x/(y-x2)=1

and

2) (y2-1)3=x2-y



The Attempt at a Solution



1) x/(y-x2)=1
=> [(y-x2)(1)-(x)((1*dy/dx)-2x)]/[(y-x)2]2=0
So far, so good.
A_Munk3y said:
=> y-x2-x(dy/dx)+2x2=[(y-x)2]2
Error above. When you multiply 0 by (y - x2)2, you get 0. If you fix this, the resulting equation is fairly easy to solve for y'.
A_Munk3y said:
I think I'm going to stop here because I'm pretty sure it's wrong so no reason to keep putting what i got. What am i doing wrong here?


2) (y2-1)3=x2-y
=> 3(y2-1)2*(2y(dy/dx) = 2x-(dy/dx)
=> 3(y2-1)2*(2y(dy/dx))+(dy/dx) = 2x
This is [6y(y2 -1) + 1]y' = 2x
The next step should be obvious.
A_Munk3y said:
Now here, i know the next step is
(dy/dx)(3(y2-1)2*(2y)+1)=2x

But i have no idea how i should get to this step. How did the dy/dx (the one that comes first) come out and where did the other dy/dx go (it became a 1??)
can anyone explain this to me?
 

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