Implicit Function Theorem Question

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the Implicit Function Theorem, particularly its application to a specific problem involving a function of three variables. Participants explore the theorem's statement, proof, and implications, as well as seek clarification on its generality and examples.

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  • Technical explanation
  • Conceptual clarification
  • Debate/contested
  • Homework-related

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a problem involving the function f(x,y,z) = sin(xyz) + e^[2x + y(z - 1)] and attempts to apply the Implicit Function Theorem to solve for x in terms of y and z near the point (0,0,0).
  • Another participant references Munkres' formulation of the theorem, expressing confusion about its generality and seeking verification of the initial participant's solution.
  • A different participant suggests that a more complex example of the theorem would be beneficial for understanding, rather than the typical examples often used.
  • One participant provides a conceptual explanation of the theorem, emphasizing its role in determining when a curve defined by an equation is smooth and can be projected isomorphically onto axes.
  • Another participant agrees with the previous explanation and discusses the conditions under which local invertibility occurs, specifically referencing the derivatives of the function.
  • Some participants express that the concepts remain confusing, indicating a need for further clarification and examples.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

There is no clear consensus on the correctness of the initial solution presented, as participants express varying levels of understanding and seek verification. Multiple viewpoints on the generality of the theorem and its applications are present, indicating ongoing debate.

Contextual Notes

Participants highlight the need for clarity regarding the assumptions and conditions under which the Implicit Function Theorem applies, as well as the potential for confusion stemming from its various formulations.

Who May Find This Useful

Students and educators in mathematics, particularly those studying multivariable calculus and differential equations, may find this discussion relevant for understanding the Implicit Function Theorem and its applications.

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Implicit Function Theorem
I've been having a lot of trouble understanding the statement of the theorem and its proof, so I would like to see if I did the following question below correctly.

The problem

Let f : R² → R be given by f(x,y,z) = sin(xyz) + e^[2x + y(z - 1)]. Show that the level set {f = 1} can be solved as x = x(y,z) near (0,0,0) and compute ∂x/∂y (0,0) and ∂x/∂z (0,0).

SOLUTION!

Let G(x,y,z) = f(x,y,z) - 1 and note that G(0,0,0) = 0.

DG = [yzcos(xyz) + e^[2x + y(z - 1)]; xzcos(xyz) + (z - 1)e^[2x + y(z - 1)]; xycos(xyz) + e^[2x + y(z - 1)]; 1 x 3 matrix

I have ∂G/∂x = yzcos(xyz) + 2e^[2x + y(z - 1)]. Now at (0,0,0) I have it equal to 1 and hence the determinant is nonzero, so I can apply the Implicit Function Theorem.

So Dx(0,0) = -[∂G/∂x]^(-1) ⋅ [∂G/∂(y,z)] = -[1]^(-1) ⋅ [-1 1] = [1 -1]

Therefore, ∂x/∂y (0,0) = 1 and ∂x/∂z (0,0) = -1.

Is this all right?
 
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Munkres has f: R^k x R^n → R^n, and then writes f as f(x,y) where x ∈ R^k and y ∈R^n and then goes on to solve for y in terms of the x. However, this isn't as general as one could be, so this is what's been confusing me, but I think I have finally understood it (hopefully). So if anyone could verify whether what I did above is right or wrong would be great. Thanks!
 
An explanation of the entire theorem and maybe with a more complicated (i.e. not the cliche unit circle lol) example would be nice as well!
 
try these notes from my riemann surfaces/algebraic curves class. the point is the implicit function theorem tells you when a curve in the plane defined by an equation like f(x,y)=0, is "smooth", i.e. looks like a graph near each point, either of y(x) or of x(y).

I.e. it tells you when a small nbhd of a point on the curve can be projected isomorphically onto either the y or axis. E.g. the IFT fails at the mid point of a figure eight, but holds near every other point.

start reading the day 1-3 notes on page 3.
 

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Thanks for the links. I'll read them...and I hadn't thought of it like that "it tells you when a small nbhd of a point on the curve can be projected isomorphically onto either the y or x-axis" :)
 
yeah, if ∂f/ƒy is not zero it projects locally isomorphically ointo the x axis, i.e. locally it is a function of x, i.e. locally each point is determined by its x coordinate, and vice versa.

my notes help explain how to remember this, which sounds backwards. The point is that if z = f(x,y) and ∂z/∂y is not zero, then z and y are invertible functions of each other, i.e. they are interchangeable, so instead of x and y, we could use x and z as coordinates.

then y=0, the x axis, gets mapped isomorphically into the set z=0, i.e. f(x,y) = 0, the curve. i.e. locally the curve is isomorphic to the x-axis when ∂f/ƒy is non zero.

oh well i guess it is still confusing.
 

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