Implicit Function Thm Application

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The discussion revolves around the application of the Implicit Function Theorem to the equation x² - 4x + 2y² - yz = 1, specifically investigating the possibility of solving for the variables y and z in terms of x near the point (2, -1, 3).

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  • Exploratory, Assumption checking, Problem interpretation

Approaches and Questions Raised

  • Participants explore the algebraic manipulation required to isolate y and z, with one participant questioning the specific algebraic steps taken to derive the expression for y. There is also discussion about treating other variables as constants during the solving process.

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The discussion is ongoing, with participants sharing insights on the algebra involved and confirming assumptions about variable treatment. There is no explicit consensus yet, but guidance on the algebraic approach has been provided.

Contextual Notes

Participants note the conditions under which the square root vanishes and the implications for the values of x, y, and z, indicating a need for careful consideration of variable relationships in the context of the problem.

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Investigate the possibility of solving x2-4x+2y2-yz = 1 for each of its variables in terms of the other two near the point (2,-1,3).

Attempt:

Ok so using the IFT I was able to determine that I can only slze for y,z. But in the question they ask me to solve for y and z. z was not problem, but y, they got a solution like this:

y = (z - [z2+8(1-x2+4x)]1/2) / 4

as well they said x = 2 (+ or -) [5-2y2+yz]1/2 and the square root vanishes at (y,z) = (-1,3) so there are two values of “ for some nearby values of and
and none for others.

Question: How did they solve for y? (What bloody algebra trick did they use that I'm not seeing? and how did those conditions on x appear?
 
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hi trap101! :smile:
trap101 said:
x2-4x+2y2-yz = 1

y = (z - [z2+8(1-x2+4x)]1/2) / 4

that's the standard -b ± √etc formula :wink:
as well they said x = 2 (+ or -) [5-2y2+yz]1/2 and the square root vanishes at (y,z) = (-1,3) so there are two values of “ for some nearby values of and
and none for others.

your typing hasn't come out :redface:
 
trap101 said:
as well they said x = 2 (+ or -) [5-2y2+yz]1/2 and the square root vanishes at (y,z) = (-1,3) so there are two values of “ for some nearby values of and ��
and none for others.

there are two values of x for some nearby values of y and z
and none for others.
Well after doing the mechanics for solving for y, I guess in that sort of scenario I should assume the other "variables" in this case x, z are just constants?
 
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trap101 said:
Well after doing the mechanics for solving for y, I guess in that sort of scenario I should assume the other "variables" in this case x, z are just constants?

yup! :biggrin:
 
thnks again and won't be the last time, unless I get struck by lightning and all of a sudden I become a genius
 

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