Improper integrals (Comparison Test)

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Discussion Overview

The discussion revolves around the convergence of improper integrals using the comparison test, specifically focusing on the integral of the function 1/(1-x^2) from 2 to infinity. Participants explore various approaches to determine whether the integral converges or diverges, while also discussing related properties of integrals.

Discussion Character

  • Exploratory
  • Mathematical reasoning
  • Debate/contested

Main Points Raised

  • One participant presents a solution attempt involving the comparison test, noting a potential error in their reasoning regarding the convergence of the integral -1/(2-2x).
  • Another participant proposes a comparison involving the expression x^2-1, suggesting that it is greater than or equal to the product of sqrt(x) and x for x >= 3.
  • Several participants discuss the implications of the convergence or divergence of an integral and whether the negative of that integral retains the same convergence properties, with one asserting that if the integral of 1/(x^2-1) is convergent, then 1/(1-x^2) should also be convergent.
  • Another participant confirms the assertion about the relationship between the convergence of an integral and its negative, explaining that a finite integral implies convergence regardless of the limits of integration.

Areas of Agreement / Disagreement

Participants express differing views on the application of the comparison test and the implications of integral convergence. There is no consensus on the convergence of the original integral discussed, and multiple competing views remain regarding the properties of integrals and their relationships.

Contextual Notes

Some participants' arguments depend on specific assumptions about the behavior of functions at certain bounds, and the discussion does not resolve the mathematical steps necessary to fully establish convergence or divergence for the integrals in question.

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Use the comparison test to find out whether or not the following improper integral exist(converge)?
integral(upper bound:infinity lower bound:2) 1/(1-x^2) dx

Here's my solution for 3),but I think something went wrong

For all x>=2
0<=-(2-2x)<=-(1-x^2) that means: 0<=-1/(1-x^2)<=-1/(2-2x)

and

integral (upper bound : infinity.lower bound : 2)
-1/(2-2x)=1/2lim(t->infinity)[In(2-2t)-In(-2)]

According to Comparison Test
If ) the integral -1/(2-2x) is convergent,then the integral -1/(1-x^2) is convergent.

But the integral -1/(2-2x) is divergent...so I don't know what to do next...
 
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$$x^2-1=(x-1)(x+1) \geq \sqrt{x} \cdot x $$

for all $$x \geq 3$$ .
 
ZaidAlyafey said:
$$x^2-1=(x-1)(x+1) \geq \sqrt{x} \cdot x $$

for all $$x \geq 3$$ .

Can I state:if the integral (upper bound: a lower bound: b )is convergent/divergent.
then the negative integral (upper bound: a lower bound: b )is convergent/divergent.For ex:If I prove 1/(x^2-1) is convergent,then I can say 1/(1-x^2) is convergent too.
 
renyikouniao said:
Can I state:if the integral (upper bound: a lower bound: b )is convergent/divergent.
then the negative integral (upper bound: a lower bound: b )is convergent/divergent.For ex:If I prove 1/(x^2-1) is convergent,then I can say 1/(1-x^2) is convergent too.

Yes , of course . For an integral to be convergent that means it has a value that is not infinite . So if we have the following

$$\int^b_a f(x) \, dx = C$$ converges then

$$\int^a_b f(x) \, dx = -\int^b_a f(x) \, dx = - C $$

Since the integral has a finite value , it obviously converges because this is what it means to converge .

If you are talking about positive functions then the integral means a finite area under the function on the interval [a,b] . Clearly the area will still be finite if we change the limits to be $$[b,a]$$ but since we are traveling on the opposite side it will be with a negative sign .
 
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